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B.C., 7/26/05

Here’s what the future Mrs. C. had to say about today’s B.C.:

“Some comics make you laugh, some make you think. Unfortunately, this one does neither.”

Actually, though, this strip did make me think, specifically about what ol’ Johnny’s smoking, what with his legs-protuding-out-of-the-armipits fish there. Because you know that the idea of some sort of fish that could, in defiance of God’s law, go up on land is totally removed from reality.

This entry was posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 08:19 pm and is filed under B.C..

173 responses to “Outsourced blog entry”

Woodrowfan
July 26th, 2005 at 8:23 pm [Reply]

and then some just make you roll your eyes. BC does that a lot.
RBF
July 26th, 2005 at 8:29 pm [Reply]

Not to mention, TALK.
Mibbitmaker
July 26th, 2005 at 8:36 pm [Reply]

And you thought Christianity in caveman days was a stretch!

(Forgive my (but not Hart’s) scientific ignorance, but….. CLAMS have LEGS??)
RBF
July 26th, 2005 at 8:42 pm [Reply]

And can TALK.

(where you been, Mibbit?)
Sourbelly
July 26th, 2005 at 8:49 pm [Reply]

Since Hart doesn’t believe in evolution, one must assume that he doesn’t believe in archaeology–all that junk about fossils an’ stuff.

Johnny, are you aware that our knowledge of prehistoric man–you know, the goddamned subject of your strip–is based on archaeology? If you’re going to be stupid, could you at least be consistently so?
Adam-12
July 26th, 2005 at 8:50 pm [Reply]

Wait a minute….wouldn’t this strip go against everything else Hart has written in the last few years? After all, his conservative Christian views aren’t exactly a secret. So doesn’t a fish growing legs and going to a conference on Darwinism rather clearly imply that Hart believes in evolution? I’m not saying that evolution and Christianity are mutually exclusive of each other, but they don’t tend to meld well either.
Claude
July 26th, 2005 at 9:01 pm [Reply]

I think one of the things that spoils this joke is that clams have FEET, not legs. Hart actually did that joke many years ago. (”Clams got feet!”)
It might have actually been on the same block as funny had he used the word “feet.” Plus, it’s a funnier word, to my ear.
Chet McCord, Wildlife Defender
July 26th, 2005 at 9:11 pm [Reply]

Not to overdissect a lame strip that promotes ignorance, but that third panel, “and you thought CLAMS having legs was a stretch” seems to imply that it’s more absurd for fish to have legs than it is for clams.

Fish got pectoral fins. Some fish got fleshy lobed pectoral fins. They have pelvic bones. Heck, they got BONES. Bones are needed to make legs.

So I’m not surprised to see a fish with legs. But I am startled to see a bipedal fish.
Chet McCord, Wildlife Defender
July 26th, 2005 at 9:13 pm [Reply]

Maybe it’s not so startling to see that a clam doesn’t buy into evolution. They don’t really have much of a brain.
RBF
July 26th, 2005 at 9:14 pm [Reply]

I think Hart’s done “Clams got legs!” too.

Bottom line, he’s fence-sitting it seems, lately.

He should go into politics.
RBF
July 26th, 2005 at 9:17 pm [Reply]

dammit it Chet, a bipedal fish who TALKS.
RBF
July 26th, 2005 at 9:22 pm [Reply]

I think Hart has been smokin’ it up a lot lately and has become swept into a vacuum of reality where past history/evolution, and future evolution, are enmeshed….. dammm, I’m getting a headache. Screw you, Hart!

Cue: Twilight Zone Music: Do do, dum dum, do do, dum dum
Mooncity
July 26th, 2005 at 9:52 pm [Reply]

Well, not to defend Hart, because his comic has slid way past the put-out-to-pasture point, but if I recall corectly, the clams in the “comic” have legs and can walk around. Dunno why, I’m just sayin’…

Totally agree that Hart is hedging his bets on the Darwin thing. So, is he a creationist, or WTF? If he is, he can’t, by default, believe in Darwin’s take on evolution, etc.

BTW, while I was stuck in the doctor’s office waiting room (for a frickin’ HOUR) the other day, I read a column George Will wrote in Time (July 4th edition, I think) about a new book covering the Scopes trial. Interesting stuff.
johncomic
July 26th, 2005 at 10:05 pm [Reply]

FYI, Claude, RBF got it right: the line is “Clams got legs”. It dates back to when BC was really funny, and I was there then…
Chet McCord, Wildlife Defender
July 26th, 2005 at 10:31 pm [Reply]

RBF (#11), for some reason I don’t have a problem with a fish that can talk. Pogo taught me to appreciate that in the funny papers.

And I also remember when BC was funny, and the original “clams got legs” piece was one reason why. Incidentally, clams don’t got eyes, either.
Anonymous
July 26th, 2005 at 10:35 pm [Reply]

Chet McCord

Is THIS…daChipster?!
susie
July 26th, 2005 at 10:36 pm [Reply]

So, Chet, do clams have anything at all that would render them interesting to us?
RBF
July 26th, 2005 at 11:14 pm [Reply]

they taste good, when steamed with beer (legs and all)

Beyond that,—– give us something more Darwinian, Hart – chit or get off the fence already
RBF
July 26th, 2005 at 11:17 pm [Reply]

did someone mention daChipster? where oh where have you been, Chi-Guy?
2fs
July 26th, 2005 at 11:49 pm [Reply]

I think Hart’s saying that believing in evolution is along the line of believing what you read in the funny papers. Which is a phrase (”funny papers”) that Hart’s doing his best to make as inapt as possible.
Chris D
July 26th, 2005 at 11:59 pm [Reply]

I think the reference is to those ‘darwin fish’ stickers people put on their cars… eg http://www.darwinfish.com
Chash
July 27th, 2005 at 12:14 am [Reply]

I’m glad for this site for so many reasons, but mainly because it gives me the oppurtunity to get distracted, look around at other things, and then come back and wonder why the hell I am looking at a picture of a lungfish.
Roonil Wazlib
July 27th, 2005 at 12:39 am [Reply]

Now see, I thought he was making a clever Scientology joke with the clam. Well, not really.
Lor
July 27th, 2005 at 1:23 am [Reply]

I remember “clams got legs” too. Anyone else remember the ants – “I’m running away with Shirley!” pack pack pack

It seemed funny then, in the seventies, but of course we had lower standards. Just look at what we wore.
decaf
July 27th, 2005 at 2:25 am [Reply]

Ok, so having settled the bivalve-anatomy stuff, could somebody please explain to me:

Who the hell smelts batteries?
Zorba the Geek
July 27th, 2005 at 6:51 am [Reply]

For me, reading BC is the visual equivalent of listening to fingernails scrape and screech along a blackboard.
WoodrowFan
July 27th, 2005 at 7:01 am [Reply]

I have a Jesus fish AND a Darwin fish on my car. maybe I should go park outside Hart’s house and freak him out….
RBF
July 27th, 2005 at 7:51 am [Reply]

Agree decaf (#25). Had to read that one three times.

More battery smelting, Mule!
RBF
July 27th, 2005 at 7:54 am [Reply]

Ya think they recycle sulfuric acid there too?

Why the hell not, right? Ammonia too!
Audient
July 27th, 2005 at 8:07 am [Reply]

BC = BS. I read it only here, and then any time I want my intelligence insulted.
yellojkt
July 27th, 2005 at 8:12 am [Reply]

I used to think the “clams got…” stuff was hilarious. Of course, I was 8 at the time. It was a great running gag. Those clams had EVERYTHING. I think the whole set up was because a small part of a clam is called a foot that can actually extend out of the shell to pull themselves along. Johnny just took the concept to a ridiculous and humorous extreme. Back when the strip had a kinda random absurd zany-ness.
yellojkt
July 27th, 2005 at 8:16 am [Reply]

It seems that ant never ran away with Shirley either. Instead he is raising a smart-ass kid ant that goes to a poorly performing public school. Another subtle (by BC standards) shift to a more doctrinaire choice of topics.

Leave No Ant Behind.
RBF
July 27th, 2005 at 8:19 am [Reply]

An ant-brain is a terrible thing to waste.
Chet McCord, Wildlife Defender
July 27th, 2005 at 8:23 am [Reply]

Setting aside the ability to speak, ant children don’t go to “Skool” but are home-skooled in a manner that Hart would probably endorse. They are maggot-like, with neither arms or legs.
yellojkt
July 27th, 2005 at 8:58 am [Reply]

Wow! Scott and Luann now get to single handedly solve the health problems caused by off-shoring manufacturing to countries with poor environmental regulation.

Thank God Apartment 3G is taking a position on CAFTA, because Mallard Fillmore hasn’t told me what to think yet.
Luna
July 27th, 2005 at 9:14 am [Reply]

I too completely thought that this was a Scientology joke. But I think that’s more a sign, actually, that I’ve been glancing too frequently at Gawker.
luluchappel
July 27th, 2005 at 9:25 am [Reply]

Wonder what Hart would say/do with Geoduck clams?
http://community.webshots.com/photo/188759677/188822114QexOup#
yellojkt
July 27th, 2005 at 9:39 am [Reply]

Wow! That’s one helluva calm. But are they good eating? I just can’t see plopping one of those on top of some linguine.
Zorba the Geek
July 27th, 2005 at 9:48 am [Reply]

Yes, yellojkt, they’re good to eat. You just might not want to visualize what they look like alive, while you’re eating some. (It’s pronounced “gooey-duck,” BTW.)
sally
July 27th, 2005 at 10:34 am [Reply]

I’m sorry, I just don’t get this at all. None of these explanations makes any sense. Hart is avidly, avowedly, shouting-his-ignorance-from-the-rooftops proudly, a creationist. Just a few months ago he did that eye-poppingly stupid Sunday cartoon accusing Darwin (a lifelong Christian as I’m sure you all know) of “forgetting his Christianity” by developing the theory of evolution. (Never mind that there is absolutely nothing in the New Testament that contradicts evolution, but… oh never mind.)

So, if he’s sending fish with feet to a “Darwinian conference,” whatever the heck that might be, it can only be for the purpose of lamely making fun of such an idea. But the joke is SO LAME even those of us who spend far too much time thinking about can’t see what it was supposed to be!

Please, newspapers of the world: Drop.This.Strip.
Roonil Wazlib
July 27th, 2005 at 11:48 am [Reply]

So what exactly *was* the “Clams got feet/legs” joke? I’m trying to imagine the setup that leads to this punchline being funny, and I’m experiencing a failure of imagination. Help!
Brent McKee
July 27th, 2005 at 11:50 am [Reply]

Heart is probably so unbending on the issue of evolution that he’s one of those people who think that “intelligent design” (which is the current line taken by anti-evolution types) so much secular humanist claptrap.

I’d second the motion to get rid of the strip but knowing my paper, they’d probably replace it with a few more classified ads.
yellojkt
July 27th, 2005 at 12:07 pm [Reply]

From http://www.mcasco.com/p1ns.html , which has nothing to do with comics:

I am a fan of a cartoon strip drawn by Johnny Hart called B.C. It is populated with little cave man characters, one of whom is always trying to catch clams moving from one place to another. He knows they move but they are always lying still when he sees them. His hypothesis is that clams have legs. His chosen mission is to catch one in motion so he can tell the world that ‘Clams got legs!!!’.

IIRC, the caveman that was obsessed with clams is the dorky one with the glasses that always has his head in the stream watching fish, but it may have been Peter. Part of the gag was that no one believed him about the clams. Kinda like Big Bird and Snufflupagus or Michigan J Frog (R.I.P.).

The clams would constantly do more and more anthropomorphic things including make jokes amongst themselves. The clams had a higher level of technology than the cavemen.

It was eff’in hilarious!
Damion Schubert
July 27th, 2005 at 12:36 pm [Reply]

This strip is clearly creationist. It’s saying, “Look at how ridiculous a fish with legs is.” I realize it’s difficult for normal, intelligent people to understand his message. This is because normal, intelligent people are actually somewhat informed about how evolution works. But if you read any of the creationist literature, the whole ‘walking fish are ridiculous’ meme is rampant throughout.
PizzaBagel
July 27th, 2005 at 12:56 pm [Reply]

Funny, but those “caves” look like nostrils. Is Fat Broad lying on the beach, buried in the sand (except for her nose), about to have a fish walk into her schnozz? And in the distance on the left of panel two we see the boobs of Non-Fat Broad. (What’s her name?) I just thought that I’d lighten up this thread. I try to not let Hart’s messages bother me, although I admit it’s an interesting exercise to try to figure them out if you’ve got a lot of time to waste.
yellojkt
July 27th, 2005 at 1:14 pm [Reply]

PizzaBagel asked: Non-Fat Broad. (Whatâ€™s her name?)

Cute Chick. Further cementing Hart’s place in the afterlife if The Diety is female.

Damion deconstructed the strip perfectly. Because ~~creationists~~ Intelligent Design advocates are completely unfamilar with the concept of amphibians.
tom
July 27th, 2005 at 1:54 pm [Reply]

What bothers me is Hart’s freedom to waste panels (beside the way some people consider every panel a waste) when he can’t think of more than a one- or two-liner. Why is there a panel of the leg fish crawling out of the water? Worse: when BC sends messages to the people overseas — on floating stone tablets, mind you — he’ll use three or four panels showing nothing more than the passage of a day and a night while BC waits for an answer. Waterson or Schultz could get away with that (but didn’t), because they were also artists. Hart’s near-schematic line drawings can’t support it.
Joe D.
July 27th, 2005 at 2:09 pm [Reply]

Have you ever told off a stupid person in a bar? You know, you’re in town on business, so you go into a bar by yourself and sit next to someone who ends up talking your ear off about something just ridiculously dumb. You almost feel bad for how stupid the person is, but you can’t resist telling him that what he’s just said is the most retarded idea in the history of the world. So you do, and it doesn’t even faze him because he’s used to people calling him a mental defect. So he finds someone new to talk to. The cycle of his stupidity continues, and he never learns anything regardless of the number of things around him that contradict his viewpoint. You know that guy?

Yeah, that’s Johnny Hart.
Joe D.
July 27th, 2005 at 2:21 pm [Reply]

Did anyone else see this?
Joe D.
July 27th, 2005 at 2:22 pm [Reply]

The link didn’t work. Here’s the address:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000992006
Woodrowfan
July 27th, 2005 at 2:39 pm [Reply]

the guy always watchign fish is Clumsy Carp.
yellojkt
July 27th, 2005 at 2:42 pm [Reply]

The Karl Rove/Turd Blossom stuff is priceless because Trudeau has an airtight alibi. W uses has used it as a “term of endearment” for years. It means Rove can grow something sweet smelling out of complete BS. A desirable skill in a political hatchet man.

Timothy Noah at Slate points out how mean-spirited the nicknames really are.

This is the stuff that separates Doonesbury from the wannabe’s. It operates at a whole Art-Of-War “make your enemy’s strength his weakness” level that hits hard instead of just reinforcing preconceived prejudices. There is no way the duck or coyote could have pulled it off if they tried.
Anderkoo
July 27th, 2005 at 2:57 pm [Reply]

The fact that the clam is talking to the camera is the clincher that Hart is clumsily trying to say, “Fish growing legs is stupid.” I would daresay the clam has the same cynical gleam in its eye as Mallard when he delivers his devastating punchline.
Lor
July 27th, 2005 at 3:08 pm [Reply]

No yellojkt! Not The Diety! (Lor shivers at the thought of Dieting for all eternity)

Almost as scary as this.
yellojkt
July 27th, 2005 at 3:12 pm [Reply]

Damn “i” before “e” rule. And we just had this lesson in the Lounge.

Great New Yorker link.
Zorba the Geek
July 27th, 2005 at 3:24 pm [Reply]

Hey, Joe D., funny you should mention telling off stupid people in a bar. I did something like that once, only it was a nice restaurant, and the person was hosting the dinner I was attending (maybe not so smart, Zorba). He started spouting off about evolution being “a theory” and I said that creationism was “complete horsesh!t” and that gravity was a theory, too, but “you don’t find yourself floating off the face of the earth, do you?”. Come to think of it, the guy may have been Johnny Hart in disguise. (Shudder.)
Islamorada Girl
July 27th, 2005 at 3:43 pm [Reply]

Debbie Downer here. Yes, all the old computers and electronics end up in some armpit poor section of some third world countries being broken down for their components and gold, causing hideous health and environmental problems for the men, women and children who do the breakdowns. See the current issue of Smithsonian for more guilt than most of us can handle. This message has been brought to you by Debbie Downer, spreading bad news since 1968.
Zorba the Geek
July 27th, 2005 at 4:29 pm [Reply]

Oh, Isla, does that mean we must all become Luddites??? (If you want more downers, see me for a full report on the global HIV-AIDS crisis, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa. Not to mention the clothing we buy made from child- and in some cases, slave- labor. Not to mention malnutrition, starvation, genocide….all things we could be doing more about. But, enough depression for the day.)
GoatBoy
July 27th, 2005 at 7:06 pm [Reply]

Did anyone else notice he said “Two caves down”, and yet there are only two caves, implying the conference isn’t being held anywhere, therefore sending the fish on a wild goose chase?
aah
July 27th, 2005 at 8:44 pm [Reply]

what is it about comic strips. there were so many that I enjoyed as a kid. And many I’ve enjoyed as an adult. But they all grow old after a while. There were only two I never tired of. Far Side and Calvin and Hobbes. Is it best to do what Watterson did and quit after ten years. Do you go through all the jokes you have in you, and start repeating yourself after that? Thank god for strips like Mary Worth. I never liked it, but I’ve always had to read it. Sort of like looking at an accident on the road.
PizzaBagel
July 27th, 2005 at 10:03 pm [Reply]

Yeah, GoatBoy, I did notice that even though the clam answered the bipedal fish, “Two caves down”, there are only two caves, it is certainly possible that there’s another giant nose out-of-panel. So I’ll give Hart the benefit of the doubt on that one.

And that giant nose might even be a three-nostril one, for all we know. Evolution’s a strange but wondrous process.
Mibbitmaker
July 27th, 2005 at 10:48 pm [Reply]

Speaking of ways to confound Johnny Hart (way upthread),how ’bout this question: “Who’s to say evolution isn’t a tool of God’s ‘intelligent design’?”

Honestly, if they weren’t just using political correctness to justify using religious allegory as (un)scientific theory, those fundamentalists’d be on to something.
Mibbitmaker
July 27th, 2005 at 10:51 pm [Reply]

Well, RBF, to answer your question in #4, I usually wait to post when I have a pertinently funny (I hope) thing to say, instead of doing alot of posts like I just did above ;o)
Occam's Gillette
July 27th, 2005 at 11:35 pm [Reply]

RE: aah’s remark (#60)

Alas, I think it’s human nature (or love of money, fame, etc.) to continue to milk something for all you can get. Same thing that happens with comics happens with TV shows, movies, book authors (particularly those who write a continuing story or feature repeat characters), etc.

I admire the authors of “The Far Side” and “Calvin and Hobbes” for calling it quits when their reading public still wanted more. Better to go out at the top of your game than bore people to death.
Four Twenty Jew
July 27th, 2005 at 11:54 pm [Reply]

Two things

One: There are fish that can breathe and move about on land. Fellow native marylanders may remember the Snakeheads that were showing up recently and everyone making a big deal about their ability to breathe air and move around on land.

Two: It takes a simple mind to say that the entire theory of evolution contradicts creationism. If you believe in creationism, then you believe God created all the procceses which make up the world, evolution is merely one of these procceses. The only difference is when some people apply the theory of evolution and say that the enitre world evolved from one source and others say that God created everything and it started from there. Either way evolution still applies, the difference is really over how far you take the theory.

Thats all

Yes I do enjoy typing, why do you ask?

Email me if you for some insane reason want to hear me babble more.

BC is horrific by the way. That dude is just as primitive as they characters his pathetic excuse for a comic strip portrays.

The End.
WoodrowFan
July 28th, 2005 at 7:18 am [Reply]

I saw an interview with Hart a few years ago where he mentioned how sad it was that his Mom was in Hell because she didn’t believe “correctly” about God (i.e., agree with Hart on everything). He mentioned that since you wouldn’t want to spend forever in Heaven worring about how ol Mom was in Satan’s deep fryer, that God would make you forget any family or friends who were not saved so you wouldn’t feel bad about them. (I am doing this from memory so I may be off on some of the details but this is the gist).
Islamorada Girl
July 28th, 2005 at 11:16 am [Reply]

How enviable for Johnny Hart!
Speed Racer X
July 29th, 2005 at 6:49 pm [Reply]

Yes, it must be very comforting to know that your excessive PRIDE isn’t going to land you in the eternal slammer. And since he ain’t drawing this pomopous crap from the ghetto, I’ll bet he’s sure glad that his GREED isn’t going to put him in the hothouse either.
Jon H
July 30th, 2005 at 10:26 pm [Reply]

Chet (#8) writes: “Bones are needed to make legs”

Actually, in the news recently there was an amazing video of an octopus tucking up all but two of its legs and strolling across the sea floor. I’m not kidding. It’s awesome.

Link is to a story at Cal Berkely’s site, with links to the video. Check it out.
gpitsme
July 31st, 2005 at 12:07 pm [Reply]

Is it just me, or is Hart scared of going to hell for all of his past cartoon transgressions? I remember a time when B.C. was actually funny! Now since he is all jesused up he has become an idiot. I am not saying the 2 go hand-in-hand, but it is not uncommonâ€¦
Harry
August 3rd, 2005 at 1:34 am [Reply]

I like this.Keep it ip.
nobody
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:30 pm [Reply]

Looks like the use of “Darwinian” instead of “biology” or “evolution” or somesuch term plants this blurb smack in the middle of the creationist camp.
skippy
August 3rd, 2005 at 8:12 pm [Reply]

no, no, no, you all totally miss hart’s point. you see, a talking fish with legs out of his armpits could not have existed had the idea of a talking fish with legs out of his armpit been in the mind of some intelligent designer before hand.

it’s an id joke. (actually, a good id joke would be a strip from the wizard of intelligent design).
Keith Harwood
August 3rd, 2005 at 9:38 pm [Reply]

I very rarely see BC and don’t know the backstory. However, I took the bit about clams having legs as a jibe at Scientology, since they claim humans evolved from clams.
blud shrike
August 12th, 2005 at 4:05 am [Reply]

to the future mrs. c
being removed from reality ios precisely the point he’s only trying for some plain dumb fun!
Randy
August 20th, 2005 at 10:50 pm [Reply]

Looks like Johnny finally got around to posting a follow-up in yesterday’s strip, although the “joke” is so lacking in substance that one wonders why he even bothered. Basically all he’s saying in this one is that creationists and evolutionists don’t like each other.

Other than that, the insults tossed back and forth between the toad/frog and the clam with legs are extremely pathetic.
Foolster41
August 3rd, 2006 at 10:44 pm [Reply]

I’m a Christian, and I’ll admit that this comic is really stupid (As is most of BC, though I too seem to remember a time when it was funny)

However, I feel I should point out that I think it is rather persumptous to say that science or fossils has “proven” that evolution happened. Creationism has it’s own explinaitons for fossils that I think isn’t too far fetched. I admit, there’s no 100% proof that it’s wrong either.
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