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Metapost: More self-copying CsOTW!

Hello all! Your comments of the week coming shortly, but … hey, remember last summer when a reader pointed out that Blondie was just rerunning strips from the ’50s? Good times! Now evidence comes from faithful reader Shannon that the Family Circus apparently thinks the comics statute of limitations is even shorter!

When I saw piggish little Billy chastising Miss McElfresh for “shopping” when she was supposedly “sick,” I knew immediately that I’d seen that panel in one of the FC books I’d had when I was a kid. I wasn’t sure if I still had the book in question, but found it when I went rummaging through some old boxes. I scanned the panel in question (which is from ’70 or ’71) and am sending it along to you.

You’ll note that the panel has not been substantially redrawn, though there are some tweaks: the dialogue has been rearranged into the innovative new “partly in word balloons” system, the old chalkboard has been transformed into a modern dry-erase whiteboard, and of course the solid Miss Johnson has been replaced by some piece of ethnic trash. The strip’s obsession with the thought that our children are being taught by flighty whores who might enjoy personal adornment is still front and center, however.

Shannon was also kind enough to send me a scan of the cover of the collection from which the original panel derived:

“Today it might be better titled Hello, Child Protective Services?”, he says.

Also! I got the following intriguing email from faithful reader Dave, currently living in China!

I am an SAT tutor in Shanghai. Rent is a little expensive here so I kind of live way out in the middle of nowhere. However, there are a lot of little alleyway restaurants where you can get a good meal for under 2 bucks U.S. Last night, I was on my way to such a place when I discovered that Garfield had somehow found his way to my neighborhood, looking sassy as ever. As you can see, he is either coming on to me or he wants to eat me. I guess this is where he goes when he leaves Jon to stew in existential terror.

PS: This Garfield was not hocking any Davis goods or anything even remotely related to Garfield. He was really just chilling outside a cheap, back-alley Chinese food restaurant. I have no idea why he was there.

There is something unspeakably creepy about the way Garfield is looking at the camera here. Dave, for not screaming aloud and fleeing in terror into the night, you are to be commended.

And now, it’s time for … your comment of the week!

“TJ’s background is obvious. He was created in a lab using the combined DNA of Arsenio Hall, Liberace, and a Portuguese Water Dog.” –Charlene

And the runners up! Very funny!

“It is a sad, sad criminal conspiracy that can be derailed by a picture on Rusty’s Flickr page. Just turn yourselves in now, boys. There’s no hope.” –Artist formerly known as Ben

“I didn’t realize he had batted the alarm clock; I instead thought he projectile-shat onto the wall. Either way, his dexterity is amazing.” –Al of the Christian Singles Jungle Patrol

“Hot Hot Hot. A threeway with Love Story Ryan O’Neal and What’s Up, Doc? Ryan O’Neal. Lucky lucky Tommie circa 1972.” –Cranky

“Curtis’s dad’s expression is not one of surprise or amusement. My guess, given the circumstances, is that Curtis’s incessant anti-smoking hounding has finally driven him to replace his instant coffee mix with pure Skoal.” –Dragon of Life

“Wow, you know what I just realized? A picture shows images of things. That could include our faces! And our faces are wanted! Um, is it legal to kill a kid with a camera? Oh, what do I care. I’m a wanted man! I can kill anybody!” –un malpaso

“Jack Elrod is atoning for the chauvinist sins of the last storyline by giving the ladies in the audience what they’ve been clamoring for: a prison-hardened reimagining of My Dinner With Andre. You’re welcome, ladies.” –Joe Blevins

I am not a pork item in the stimulus package … unless you want me to be. Wink wink. Anyone? Anyone? No? I WILL DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY UP TO AND INCLUDING THAT WHICH IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN BY SEVERAL DIFFERENT LAWS AND RELIGIOUS TEXTS.” –Nate

“Tommie makes her move! Of course, almost any price would be worth it to get rid of that horrible blue, um, sports coat thing from Gary, but I still admire Tommie for being willing to offer her body as a reward for his removing it.” –Master Softheart

“I refuse to believe TJ’s story until he mentions the years as an underage gigolo and the stroke that paralyzed his face. Preferably in the same anecdote.” –150

“I don’t care if TJ’s father was a con, or his mom died. My only question is that grin. I need an origin story on that grin. Did his mother die of Smiley Sardonic Rictusosis? Did his dad go to jail for stealing his son’s lips?” –Spk

“Mark and family are apparently considered the local technology superstars, the Lost Forest version of Steve Jobs if you will, based on the fact that they can be uniquely identified as ‘the folks with the camera.’” –DaveyK

“The Greaser and Workshirt plot could be the beginning of an absurdist parable where the infinitely distracted heroes never arrive at any destination: ‘Workshirt, when we were renting the car to go to Lost Forest, the Avis guy got a good look at us. Better head over there and kidnap him.’ ‘Greaser, that gas station we stopped in on the way to Lost Forest had a security camera; I’m gonna go ask them to sell me the footage.’ ‘Good thinking, Workshirt. Now let’s pull over and ask these innocent bystanders for directions … D’oh! The innocent bystanders made us!’ And so on, an endless Finnegan-Begin Again loop of covered tracks.” –Tim Cavanaugh

Clint Brawny and Emily Armfull are scions of a paper-towel and baking-soda fortune, respectively. Blondie and Dagwood came up with a plan to seduce them on purpose, because, frankly, there’s nothing more important to either of the Bumsteads than a clean kitchen and an inviting refrigerator.” –BigTed

“Sam, fully aware that this can only end in her turning into another one of the strip’s buxom pinups, oversees the transition with a look of intensest ennui.” –Black Drazon

“I don’t know what this impostor strip is, but it’s not Judge Parker. I know that because there are no scantily clad women, nor men discussing inanely trivial details of their latest lucrative career ventures. We all know those are the only two themes allowed in the Judge Parker strip.” –Alan’s Addiction

“It is a little disconcerting for him to call her ‘Princess’ and her to call him ‘Sam’. Sorta like he’s saying, ‘Let me love you like a father!’ and her reply is ‘Can’t we just be friends?’ Which is odd, because Sam normally doesn’t give a shit about feelings or affection.” –Donald the Anarchist

“Oh sure, you think she’s cute now, when she’s fetching you beer and peanuts with her lowered eyes and her little apron on. But you won’t think so later, when you’re cowering in a hollow tree incubating one giant egg after another for a dozen weeks at a time.” –Joe Btfsplk

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112 responses to “Metapost: More self-copying CsOTW!”

  1. dyslexic dog
    March 23rd, 2009 at 10:35 pm [Reply]

    All hail the prodigious float parade!

  2. februarymakeup
    March 23rd, 2009 at 10:35 pm [Reply]

    All that but we don’t mention the repeat of the “line of sleep” joke from last week?

  3. Uncle Lumpy
    March 23rd, 2009 at 10:38 pm [Reply]

    There are so many ways that comic book could have been better, starting with “A spanking new collection of Judge Parker cartoons.”

    And God help if you forget the safety word and go crying to Grandma.

  4. sugarpie
    March 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pm [Reply]

    Yay for Charlene’s COTW and all the riders! Am I a bad person if I admit I enjoy the CC and the ‘mudges more than the actual comics themselves?!

  5. Dragon of Life
    March 23rd, 2009 at 10:46 pm [Reply]

    Wow, I’m on a roll… and an alarming one at that, considering I got in this week on Curtis of all things… and wow, the name “Curtis” sure lost all meaning on very few repetitions.

    #4: Yes, but you say bad person like it’s a bad thing….

  6. fishmorgjp
    March 23rd, 2009 at 10:50 pm [Reply]

    Eurgh, what’s with the guy in the Garfield suit in front of the Chinese restaurant? Are they trying to sicken customers so they don’t eat too much at the buffet?

  7. Amateur
    March 23rd, 2009 at 10:50 pm [Reply]

    Sugarpie, I think that’s the point of the blog. :-) Congrats to the float riders!

  8. Charlene
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:16 pm [Reply]

    Whoa! I’m honoured! Congrats to the rest of the float gang too!

    Re. Family Circus, there’s one other difference: Miss Johnson has a slammin’ bedonkadonk, while Miss McElfresh doesn’t even have a donk.

    (“McElfresh” is Scots, but in Family Circus that probably counts as “ethnic”.)

  9. Mibbitmaker
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:22 pm [Reply]

    #4 & 7: Comics Curmudgeon: Josh and His Commentors are Funny Because the Comic Strips Refuse To. (I’ll bet no other internet site would threaten suit for infringement over that title!)

    The Garfield photo: Looks like the communist-capitalist amalgamated demi-police state isn’t policing itself as well as it used to. (Cool pic, btw)

  10. Red Greenback
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 pm [Reply]

    Whoa!… Thel Got Back!

    Congrats COTWeekers, I’m still cracking up at those comments….really good stuff!

  11. Cornwhacker
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 pm [Reply]

    Garfield in China. Huh. Isn’t Margo Magee going there, too? This may prove to be interesting.

  12. NoVan
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:30 pm [Reply]

    Ha! I didn’t say so at the time, but I knew Charlene’s post was COTW from the moment I saw it. Win!

  13. Uncle Lumpy
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 pm [Reply]

    Hmm . . . actual self-copying Comments of the Week would require us first to read the Comments of the Week and then to comment on them using the same words — in the same order — but with entirely different intent and meaning.

    If Gödel’s second incompleteness theoremeven permits such a thing, it would be an achievement on as grand a scale as Pierre Menard’s Don Quixote(here) — and a true metapost!

  14. dyslexic dog
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:38 pm [Reply]

    Billy has taken almost as long to learn to tie his shoes as I have.

  15. gnemec
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:39 pm [Reply]

    Speaking of slammin’ bedonkadonks—what is up with Ma Keane’s on the cover of the “Spanking New” collection, circa 1971?

  16. True Fable
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 pm [Reply]

    Excellent comments bringing the golden snark! Congrats to Charlene and all the float riders!

    Wave hearty and toss some beads my way!

  17. the dude
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 pm [Reply]

    FC- Man, if you’re gonna go thru the trouble of plagerizing your own work, why not re-do a funny one? Oh wait, this is Family Circus, there are no funny ones…

  18. Poteet
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:47 pm [Reply]

    Shannon, I thank you for providing proof of what I’ve felt so deeply for so long — Billy really is more repulsive now than he used to be. And a big reason is the way his eyes are drawn. Look at that horizontal line crossing the top of the eye in the second panel. It turns Billy from a commentor to a pontificator, from a barely tolerable little dweeb to the kind of smug little snot you’d like to trip on his way to the water fountain. I always did hate Billy more than his sibs. Die, Billy, die!

  19. Li’l Bunnë FooFoo
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 pm [Reply]

    Yay people of the float! Congrats all around.

    But now I have to say something about this shocking, shocking Family Circus copycat debacle: look again, my friends, and you will see that this is NOT an exact copy. No no. It’s been redrawn. Redrawn with exactly the same kids, the same background, the same minidress on the teacher. And yet things don’t line up exactly. Today’s FC is like one giant exercise in How to Draw Like Your Father.

  20. Poteet
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:57 pm [Reply]

    And Ma Keane is wearing her old bizarre ‘do and golden bell-bottoms on the cover of that book. Ah, the Seventies. Good times, good times.

  21. cj
    March 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 pm [Reply]

    #15 Gnemec – “Speaking of slammin’ bedonkadonks—what is up with Ma Keane’s on the cover of the “Spanking New” collection, circa 1971?”

    I don’t know, but it almost excuses the yellow bellbottoms.

  22. bats :[
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:00 am [Reply]

    21. LBF: and the saddest thing about the How To Draw Like Your Father lesson is that it comes on the back of a matchbook…

  23. Poteet
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:01 am [Reply]

    And congratulations to Charlene and the funny CC riders. Good stuff. I salute you all between giggles.

  24. bats :[
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:14 am [Reply]

    Yeah, and I can’t coordinate numbers with folks’ screen names, either.

    Toosday Toons!

    A3G: had there been any mention made previously that Dr. Dick (or Joe, or whatever his name is) had been married? And had kids? And dumped them on unsuspecting nurses, knowing that they’d have no recourse but to babysit with a happy face?

    FC: ohhhh, Jeffy. You really don’t want to be asking your tired, stressed-out Mommy that…

    MT: great. No doubt Rusty’s going to see something nasty in the woodshed. Maybe he’ll take a picture of it, at least.

    S4th: I worry that “Watchmen” might be too violent for Hilary, but then I realize that the real issue is Ted having to deal with Dr. Manhattan’s giant blue schlong.

    RMMD: dang if Guido doesn’t look like June’s going to hit him with a rolled-up newspaper.
    He doesn’t realize that something like that is foreplay between June and Rex.

  25. Poteet
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:30 am [Reply]

    3/24 S-M — Since Aunt May already looked as if she was about to fall into her grave back when Peter was a college student, how did she manage to survive unto the present day? And compared to her, Eeyore was a bundle of laughs.

  26. Rana
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:49 am [Reply]

    I’m somewhat disturbed by the slight change in Billy’s eyes in FC – he’s gone from being a kid mildly surprised by his teacher having a life to one who looks like he’s taking sly pleasure in ruining his teacher’s reputation as a reliable employee.

  27. Rana
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:50 am [Reply]

    And I was scooped by the brilliant Poteet! #18

  28. Gold-Digging Nanny
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:57 am [Reply]

    #8 Charlene — Very observant! You’d make an excellent Six Differences finder.

  29. Gold-Digging Nanny
    March 24th, 2009 at 1:03 am [Reply]

    24 bats:[ re MT: Yeah, baby, but did it see you?

  30. Winky's Spleen
    March 24th, 2009 at 1:23 am [Reply]

    Thank you, Poteet and Rana, for articulating what I’ve been coming to feel, that Billy is the goose-stepping fascist little vortex of evil at the core of the abomination that is FC. Presumably, since Jeffy has secured the family business, he’s angling to inherit the Mallard Fillmore gig once Tinsley gets his third DUI strike.

  31. Uncle Lumpy
    March 24th, 2009 at 1:25 am [Reply]

    #24 bats :[ –

    Dr. Joe (Kelly) is a bitter divorcé. I don’t remember any talk of kids, though.

  32. True Fable
    March 24th, 2009 at 1:34 am [Reply]

    Girls Gone G Tommie’s luck with men seems to run like this: they butter her up with attention as if she’s attractive to them, but in the end they dump extra crap on her and say “gotta go!” leaving the explanations to (in this case, literally) a ten-year-old.
    Army of One Fart Joke Tuesday.
    I Haz Mah Wife’s Comik Strip I like that Blondie’s laying there in bed with one strap off the shoulder as she’s asking Dag where he comes up with these crazy ideas. I don’t think the first two panels have anything to do with the third one.
    Cathy (Must Die!) Cathy: AIG with bad hair.
    Children of the Circle Funny you should ask, Jeffy; that’s what the mailman said a year before you were born.
    Scenes from Suburban Hell If she pulls out that damn Job Jar, I say Hi should go for the Dark Side all the way and dump the body behind Garfield’s house.
    Sam Driver, Chick Magnet Mad Hot Mama is still in a steam over the dust-up a few weeks ago. Don’t worry, Sophie! Daddy Sam will have her in a swoon before first frost!
    Sweet & Shallow Whew, today’s S&S takes a turn down Really Messed Up Cougar Lane.
    Fist o Justice Theater Mark will see you later, Rusty! He’s got to go “take care” of his “neighbor ladies” by “massaging” them with some “special lubricant” he makes himself!

  33. True Fable
    March 24th, 2009 at 1:55 am [Reply]

    Poop Laffs I would call this a one-horse joke strip but then I’d want to shoot the horse for being so DAMN LAME.
    Meddling Heights Again with the Queenie! When he should just go ahead and call her Prince Valiant.
    Kit Walker, Bangalla Ranger They’ll be back as soon as they’re through playing Gollum.
    Welcome to Roopville Diversity to a Plugger is a fellow Plugger who isn’t a tragically defeated and overweight Labrador.
    RexMorganManWhore Ah HA! Or something. I dunno, I fell asleep about the third time they dragged that donut bag out to wave around.
    Smirk4th Looks like the Fable household to me.
    Spider-dick Luckily she survived, you asshat. You know, I think Aunt May’s rivaling Judge Parker’s Aunt Rachel and Rex Morgan’s current lush lady as Comicdom’s Most Wizened. Jeez, her face looks like the road map of eastern Pennsylvania.

  34. Jeff
    March 24th, 2009 at 2:05 am [Reply]

  35. Poteet
    March 24th, 2009 at 2:05 am [Reply]

    # 27 Rana — Nay, no scoop, just an example of great minds thinking alike. And both of us seeing Billly for the mean little sneak he really is.

    # 30 Winky’s Spleen — “Vortex of evil” works for me!

  36. Spk
    March 24th, 2009 at 2:13 am [Reply]

    In the year 2048:

    Teacherbot Mechanofresh has new anodized leg plates.

    “She wasn’t being repaired yesterday – - she was being upgraded.”

    [teacher has been recolored grey.]

    Don’t act surprised, FC isn’t going to be funny in the future either.

    Also, congrats to the other Float Riders, I’m not worthy!

  37. Steve the Pocket
    March 24th, 2009 at 2:24 am [Reply]

    As much as I have come to loathe Lynn Johnston’s butcherings of old storylines, I have to give her credit for this much: When was the last time you looked at two strips from the same feature and were able to tell which one was recent by the fact that its dialog was smaller? ;)

  38. Crankenstank
    March 24th, 2009 at 2:24 am [Reply]

    Um, Dave: hate to break it to you, old bean, but they serve Cat at that restaurant. That’s why Garfield’s in front of it. Check out the sign. (If your Chinese isn’t good enough, ask a local. If they deny it, then that’s a sure sign they’re serving genuine house cat.)

  39. Mibbitmaker
    March 24th, 2009 at 2:59 am [Reply]

    #38 (Crankenstank):

    So that explains why Odie was in Korea.

  40. Joe Btfsplk
    March 24th, 2009 at 3:01 am [Reply]

    Hello Grandma – And so little Jeffy Keane learned a painful lesson that day, and never dared express artistic originality ever again.

    Man, Thel must have worked those free weights back in the day. I’m not objecting. I dig strong arms on a woman.

    Dick Tracy – I am about 96% certain that somebody else is indeed drawing this at the moment. And I am missing Locher already. I keep meaning, one of these days, to post a bunch of links to old DT panels in an attempt to justify why I am so fond of the art in this strip.

    Hey, I’m on the float! Cool! Now do I throw beads at people, or is it the other way ’round? I forget how this works.

  41. Steve the Pocket
    March 24th, 2009 at 4:04 am [Reply]

    Oh, and. That Garfield is just begging for a caption contest. Or perhaps a caption contest contest. Us vs. Something Awful or something.

  42. Charlene
    March 24th, 2009 at 4:10 am [Reply]

    #38 – I suspected that.

  43. Wangdoodle
    March 24th, 2009 at 5:05 am [Reply]

    Joe Btfsplk@40: The new guy at Dick Tracy is inking Locher’s work, improvingly badly. Let’s face it: Locher used to do a decent imitation of Chester Gould years ago, but the art in DT has sucked rotten eggs for ages now (including the ridiculous amount of copy-pasting of exteriors). And the writing is worse, with plots about robbing banks with vicious dogs that can only be held off by constantly blowing a whistle, or nonsense about a psycho chemist who can’t distinguish between perfume and rocket fuel.

    Mallard: That’s pretty funny coming from a guy who probably distributed copies of Help! Mom! There Are Liberals Under My Bed one Christmas, yet accuses everyone else of fear-mongering. Oh, wait–it isn’t funny. Tinsley has never been funny (except unintentionally). Is this his new hypocrite’s shtick? Crying because he’s afraid of getting a taste of his own medicine? Bawl harder, sloppy.

    Winkle Funkerbeef: Remember when Funky’s son Little Shit was caught cheating, and I predicted it would lead to Funky making scowly faces and doing nothing else about it in spite of prior threats to the contrary? For my next wild prediction: the sun will rise tomorrow.

    Get F#$%@d: Suck my French horn, Darb. If you ever ran into a real live French person, you’d shrivel up and scream like a little girl. I know we’re supposed to attribute this crap to Bucky, but you made the mistake of putting it in Rob’s mouth earlier. Now, I have something to put in your mouth.

    Luann: Yikes. I’m not sure if I should be disturbed, or bored by Evans’ latest attempt to whore attention by being “disturbing.” Mom does a great imitation of Evans’ style with a paint roller.

    Monty: Well, someone’s gonna get shot. (Prediction: Gummi Bears will save the day.)

    RMMD: Did the ship sail into the Bermuda Triangle somehow? Because it seems like they’re trapped in this mess forever. IT GOES NOWHERE.

    S4th: A day late and several million dollars short at the box office, guys. (Not that that is any indicator of a movie’s quality, nerds on both sides, so enjoy a nice hot preemptive cup of STFU.)

  44. Dave
    March 24th, 2009 at 5:48 am [Reply]

    #38- Hey if it means that Garfield dies, then I support it

  45. yellojkt
    March 24th, 2009 at 6:07 am [Reply]

    For your viewing pleasure, The Barely Legal Babes division of the National Kinkiest Komics Karacter Kompetion is now open for voting.

  46. gleeb
    March 24th, 2009 at 6:07 am [Reply]

    Do they have the same shameful stereotype in Shanghai about cats and cheap, back-alley Chinese-food restaurants as we do?

    Lio: A dog house that’s bigger and more luxurious inside than one would expect from its outer aspect? Schultz did this in, I think, the 60s. Oh, wait, this is a lobster house, so its the freshest, most original thing in the funny papers. Lio‘s usually funny, but he’s slipped a few times recently.

    A3G: Well, at least we’ll find out which is Kenley when s/he admits that they’ve been abducted, and don’t know Dr Joe.

    BC: Forget the anachronism; how the heck does a “wingless bird with hairy feathers” fly? Has this Mason ever read his late relative’s work?

    Blondie: Dagwood Bumstead is the Emperor of the North Pole.

    ‘shaft: Beaten-down son-in-law (he doesn’t have a spine, so he hasn’t earned a name) is horrified but not surprised by Ed’s intention of existing another 50 years.

    ‘bean: Still smarting from Tony’s rebuke, eh Funky?

    Sopie, Bourgeois Oppressor!: A specter is haunting Connecticut…

    Zippy: Griffy is unable to read an entire book, because it would remind him that they have plots. Things happen. That facts would remind him that is own work is hollow and small.

  47. gleeb
    March 24th, 2009 at 6:13 am [Reply]

    44: Spam scones!

  48. Mr. O'Malley
    March 24th, 2009 at 6:30 am [Reply]

    “Plugger diversity” brings back the rarely seen cat-plugger.

    It set me to wondering. The kangaroo-plugger is always female … an Australian war bride like Thel Keane?

    Then the rhino-plugger would be, since rhinos are mostly found in Africa, the Plugger equivalent of an African-American?

    We could test the hypothesis by sending in different ideas … “Pluggers know how to cook really good BBQ ribs” … “Pluggers buy Miley Cyrus calendars” … “Pluggers understand the concept behind Aretha Franklin’s hat” … “Pluggers love to eat Vegemite sandwiches” … and see which animals they get assigned to.

    But this would be the lunacy of expecting there to be some kind of rational structure underlying Pluggers.

  49. Jamus The Bartender
    March 24th, 2009 at 7:02 am [Reply]

    46. Hmmm…couldn’t vote as I noticed….Cassandra didn’t even place in this OR the Cadbury thing from a few weeks ago. She not gonna be happy. Still, she’s well above the “barely legal” age….* ducks a frying pan*

  50. Jamus The Bartender
    March 24th, 2009 at 7:05 am [Reply]

    Luann: Damn. I mean…..damn. Next thing, Mrs. DeGroot is gonna be sunbathing in full view of TJ’s window, hitting on whatever guy Luann is dating….i’m thinking couples counseling may be in order here.

  51. Brick Bradford
    March 24th, 2009 at 8:28 am [Reply]

    Jeff #34 I can’t believe anybody believes this property is worth the effort.

    JP Is ticked off suburban envy mom about the run Sophie down?

    MW “Queenie, I lost all my investments when a horrible smelly man lost money at my casino and a bizarre looking detective laid waste to the place and gave me the choice between being torn to pieces in a giant slot machine or coming here.I made the wrong choice”.

    MT It’s a good thing that Mark’s watch otters are on the job and will warn the family!

  52. kalki
    March 24th, 2009 at 8:31 am [Reply]

    9CL: A little sodomy might distract him.

    Archie: So the gals are entranced by the pot haul from Betty’s marijuana crop while the guys are more likely picking up the smells emanating from the bentover backsides of the guys in front of them as they clean out the winter rodent feces from their carts in preparation for a new season at the ballpark.

    Blondie: Dagwood misses the days when he was a hobo and Blondie used to give him pity fucks outside her parents’ house.

    Crank: Which is scarier: The monstrous size of the order or the possibility that Crankers believes he has another 50 years to live?

    DTM: Ironically, both mother and daughter were preggers at the time. At least Dennis won’t have to face that unless he goes through with that sex change in his teen years.

    Self-plagiarizing CircleJerk: “Mommy! You know they both won’t fit up there!”

    FW: Huh. So I guess Funky doesn’t believe in insurance. Or maybe because of the town’s high cancer rate, the insurance companies left decades ago.

    GA: “I swear I didn’t rape him! oops…”

    Luann: “well…that was where we were going to put the new glory hole, but we’d hit the sides if we used your mouth for the hole, mom…it’s just too big.”

    S-M: Correction: “Lucky she doesn’t realize Spider-Man dumped her outside.”

  53. buckyswife
    March 24th, 2009 at 8:40 am [Reply]

    MT: When that otter breaks the jackelrod ball open, what will he find? A tasty morsel of woodlands absurdity, or a bitter clump of misogynist idiocy?

    MW: Okay, I’m stumped: What kind of Worthian heavy-handed symbolism is going on in that rear-view mirror? Their “love” might already be in the quickly receding past? Everything’s easier to see in hindsight? Moy and Giella have no idea how mirrors really work?

  54. Hank
    March 24th, 2009 at 8:52 am [Reply]

    So, according to Ginger Wyman of Carson City, NV, Pluggers are racist?

  55. Anonymous
    March 24th, 2009 at 8:55 am [Reply]

    Aunt Fritzi is hot.

  56. Crankshafts funky smelling corpse
    March 24th, 2009 at 8:57 am [Reply]

    #39 (Mibbitmaker):

    Its called Kagogi! Wash it down with an OB beer for the full effect. We used to do that to the new guys at Camp Casey.

  57. Ignatz
    March 24th, 2009 at 8:59 am [Reply]

    Doonesbury: Why is “serendipity” not a word?

  58. buckyswife
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:01 am [Reply]

    58 Ignatz: It is–I think the point is that BD and Toggle’s mom don’t realize it is and assume that his aphasia is at work here.

  59. Hank
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:02 am [Reply]

    Wangdoodle, saying a particular comic strip panel lacks validity because you think the author may have done something in his private life is a little weak. In addition, what leads you to believe that Tinsley is “crying” over the idea that kids are afraid of Rush Limbaugh?

  60. Ignatz
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:08 am [Reply]

    Tinsley has done nothing BUT cry and whine since November 5th, and the comic is pure projection.

    He’s also crying because he wants to be the Garry-Trudeau-of-the-right-wing SO BAD, and has neither the talent, nor the slightest understanding of what Garry Trudeau does.

  61. Hank
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:13 am [Reply]

    What Gary Trudeau does? You mean what his ghost writers and artists do, don’t you? He hasn’t drawn the strip in twenty years and I’m believe he may not always write it either.

  62. Muffaroo
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:15 am [Reply]

    Hail Al and Joe, for two particularly good ones afloat in a sea of excellence! My first reaction at Al of the CSJP’s comment was chagrin, as I had a “projectile crapping” comment all set to go, and had to delete it. If I’d left it in, I’d have been only the second one to make that comment. Joe Btfsplk’s take on love among the non-US residents was one of those things that leaves me slack-jawed in amazed admiration. And here I must stop, or I’ll be quoting every comment in the post. (DaveyK: This sheds new light on why it’s so urgent to stop Rusty — and makes me wonder why they even have a camera shop in that town! Tim Cavanaugh: You’ve raised an interesting… NO! NO! MUST! STOP! NOW!)

    Hey, how ’bout that weather, eh? Pssh.

    Speaking of China: in personal news, today is Family Day. Six years ago, on the other side of the planet, they handed us a baby.

  63. Ignatz
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:19 am [Reply]

    [[What Gary Trudeau does?]]

    Yes, as in sometimes cans the partisanship, includes positive characters from all sides of the political fence, has some subtlety and nuance, actually does some characterization and story-telling, and doesn’t rely on a party’s daily talking points to tell him what his comic should say.

  64. Uncle Ritzy Fritz
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:32 am [Reply]

    Congrats to all winners, with a special “far out” to faithful reader Shannon for coming up with her nugget of 70′s gold. And speaking of winners, I agree with True Fable #32- if Josh ever creates the SAPY award, the final frame of today’s Blondie HAS to be Stand Alone Panel of the Year so far.

  65. Les of the Jungle Patrol
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:35 am [Reply]

    9CL’s gay men are all stuck on heterosexual marriage because they legally can’t have one. And this doesn’t make them bitter or angry! No, they’re good gays. The kind that you can introduce to your mom or have at parties to make you seem more hip. These highly accessorizable homos live vicariously through your wedding and know all the gay arts and crafts.

    I used to think it was nifty that there were gay people on the funny pages. But these cardboard stereotyped caricatures aren’t really people.

  66. Muffaroo
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:40 am [Reply]

    From the current Doonesbury FAQ at Slate:

    Q: I’ve heard that GBT no longer draws Doonesbury. True?
    – [no name given]

    A: False. The strip is currently being produced the same way it has been for over 26 years. Trudeau writes the strip alone, and then does tight pencil drawings. The drawings are then either shipped or faxed to his assistant Don Carlton, who traces over Trudeau’s finished drawings in ink. The rumor that Trudeau no longer draws the strip was started by Entertainment Weekly. When the magazine subsequently learned that the writer of the piece had wildly exaggerated Carlton’s role, it printed a retraction and apology. By then, of course, the damage had been done, proving once again that a lie does indeed circumnavigate the globe before the truth can get its pants on. The irony of the episode was that after years of being blamed for the artwork in Doonesbury, Trudeau suddenly found himself unable to get credit for it.

    My arithmetic skills tell me this must date from about 1997. And here’s the source of the misapprehension, a letter to Entertainment Weekly, 29 Nov 1991

    May I say that I was among the most astonished of your readers to discover that I am Garry Trudeau’s ”ghost” on the comic strip Doonesbury! Reading quotations attributed to me was especially shocking in that many of them seriously perverted a telephone interview I had with one of your reporters. At no time in the interview was the context of my being Garry Trudeau’s ”ghost” or ”cocreator” for Doonesbury claimed by me. I take a certain pride in working with Garry Trudeau for the past 20 years as his inker for the art and lettering of Doonesbury. My work here in Kansas City has enabled him to meet tight deadlines with the press syndicate office located here. I believe I fully and accurately described the processes of how the strip is produced each week. Certainly within the context of that interview I made no claims about ”redrawing Garry’s pencil roughs” or that ”no tracing is involved.” Tracing is involved. Inking Garry’s roughs using a light table is involved. That is not redrawing. Your story was a serious, if overzealous, misstatement of my role in Doonesbury. Garry Trudeau needs no ”ghost.” I truly am aghast at the misrepresentations about me and Doonesbury.
    Don Carlton
    Kansas City

    Ed. note: Mr. Carlton is correct. A review of our interview tapes and research material has convinced us we misinterpreted the way Doonesbury is produced and overemphasized Mr. Carlton’s role. We regret the error and apologize to Mr. Carlton and Mr. Trudeau for any damage our story may have caused them.

    And now you know. The Rest. Of the Story. … good DAY!

  67. Les of the Jungle Patrol
    March 24th, 2009 at 9:43 am [Reply]

    In other news, the trees in today’s Medium Large seem to have breasts.

  68. Calico
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:08 am [Reply]

    It’s nice to see that these days, instead of beating the crap out of Jeffy, Ma Keane resorts to feeding her son black tar stew.

  69. spike
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:11 am [Reply]

    But these cardboard stereotyped caricatures aren’t really people.

    Les of the Jungle Patrol @65: And the gay characters differ from the rest of the cast of 9CL…how…?

    ‘shaft: Truly, Ed is so evil, cantankerous, dyspeptic, etc. that neither God nor the Devil wants him, given his extended 50-year life span.

    Scenes from Suburban Hell: Remember, Hi: It’s always darkest before it goes completely black.

    FW: Appartently Funky is sooooo poor that he still tools around in the vehicle given to him by his first wife and lacks the funds to purchase auto insurance.

  70. Hibbleton
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:13 am [Reply]

    Well, this explains Blondie’s huge boobs link. Instead of a 50 foot woman, thanks to Dagwood, she’s only mutated the tits of a fifty foot woman.

  71. just some guy
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:20 am [Reply]

    I still wonder why Toggle in Doonesbury is being treated like a noble hero when in reality (or the reality of the strip) he mainly got blown due to his own incompetence. Going into battle w/heaphones on so loud he couldn’t hear the warnings from his buddies.

  72. nerowolfgal
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:25 am [Reply]

    Gil Thorp – Whoa, am I slow, it just hit me. The black kids from New York are Mitford’s new basketball champions. Ouch! And Gil can make self-righteous comments about racial profiling?

  73. Muffaroo
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:25 am [Reply]

    9CL – When I worked for the garden center, I used to think of things to put on the signboard on the street. For some reason, they wouldn’t go along with COME SMELL OUR BABY’S FEET, even after I changed it to COME SMELL OUR BABY’S BREATH. But in the employee newsletter, I used to run fake pictures of the sign saying things like PIZZA DELIVERY MAN STOP HERE. My favorite, though, was on the wall of my office: BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH PLANTS.

    AD – I’d have said “Stupid Google Maps” because they worked so hard to keep me from the Spiegelman lecture. My obsession with real-life vicissitudes, however, is distracting me from the genuine novelty that the bird is conversing with a talking poop. Now that’s cutting-edge stuff for the comics page.

    BBailey – It’s no fun when they dare us to make fart jokes.

    Cshaft – I just know this will come out like so many of Crank-shaft’s wacky ideas. He’ll be real excited at first, and it’ll all end up with him spilling his seed on the ground.

    DTracy – From the look on BO’s face in panel 2, I’m really glad I can’t see Gertie’s right middle finger.

    H&Jamaal – I see the chicken-headed tranny clown has picked up the insult term “Herbert” from that Star Trek episode about the space hippies. (“Gonna crack my knuckles and shout with joy / Got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy!”)

    MFmore – It’s funny because the kid’s hysterical: the only way Limbaugh would fit under his bed would be if it was a top bunk with nothing else underneath.

  74. Muffaroo
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:27 am [Reply]

    just some guy @71 – Dude, he volunteered. Hell, I never did that. I’d cut him some slack.

  75. Muffaroo
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:31 am [Reply]

    MTrail – Plot point day: He has a new memory card, so even if they buy the camera, they won’t… aw, heck with it. When are we going to see the Dramatic Prairie Dog in Mark Trail?

    Mduke – “Mitt Romney had the right idea. Next rest stop, I’m lashing you to the bleeding roof!”

    My Cage – This would have been the perfect occasion for a face-saving lie. Just saying.

    Zippy – Ahhh! A stack of Stanleys!

    Zits – No clean towels in his room? He had to dry what off? No, wait. I just realized I don’t want to know. Ever.

  76. Uncle Ritzy Fritz
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:33 am [Reply]

    My apologies to faithful reader Shannon for referring to him -as I see Josh does upon re-reading his comments- as a her (if offense was taken). In my defense the ’70′s flashback brought me to the song “Shannon” by Henry Gross. Due to its sheer awfulness I never listened to it that closely, but always thought it was about a former girlfriend. Quick research reveals it was actually about a dead dog (allegedly Brian Wilson’s erstwhile Irish Setter). Which when you think about it brings us full circle to both the dog reference in the COTW and Mibbitmaker’s quip about Odie at #39.

  77. Muffaroo
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:33 am [Reply]

    Jeff @34 From the article you linked about Warren Beatty and Dick Tracy:

    Tribune Media Services is part of the bankrupt Tribune Co., which is arguing that because Beatty has “made no productive use” of the rights in more than 10 years that the rights should revert back to them.

    I would argue that Beatty has never made productive use of the rights, period.

    When I saw the link, I thought “Beatty” referred to artist Terry Beatty, who used to draw Ms. Tree. It was an awful strip, but darn if he wouldn’t do a better job than the current apprentice.

    Wangdoodle @43 – Perhaps Monty will get shot, and Abe Lincoln will travel into the present to continue the comic strip with his wacky misadventures getting used to the 21st century, and visitors from the future. You know, with a lot of strips, I’d actually prefer that. Maybe Monty’s intercession is the reason Superboy’s attempts to save Honest Abe (I always thought of those as displaced guilt over not saving JFK).

    gleeb @46 – The ‘wingless bird with hairy feathers’ was the apteryx. Different bird. This one has always been able to fly.

  78. Rock Ripsnort
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:43 am [Reply]

    To those early-comers noting li’l Billy’s snotty expression: remember, this is JEFFY’s interpretation of Billy. Sorta-grown-up Jeffy may be harboring some resentment.

  79. Artist formerly known as Ben
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:57 am [Reply]

    Ah, now that was some high grade funny. Congratulations, and thanks to Josh for putting me in the menagerie.

    I’d feel a lot better if one of Shanghai’s finest were leading that Garfield away in cuffs.

    Anyway, 3/23 comics,

    S-M: Yeah, it is lucky Aunt May can’t remember how she got to the hospital. Otherwise she’d still be able to change her will.

    Ziggy: A lesson in financial sodomy.

    S$th: Oh no. Now the next time Halloween rolls around, Ted will just shave his head, paint himself blue, and walk around naked. Hil, make sure you’re at a sleepover on Oct 31.

    Luann: Nancy would need much more refined brushes and/or a stencil to complete this Oedipal siren song. That’s a lot for the boys not to notice.

    DT: Locher and the new artist don’t actually show Gertie’s lips making contact with B.O.’s face. Thank Heaven for small mercies.

    BB: Stupid, Beetle. All you’ve done is give Killer added incentive to stay ahead of you.

    H&L: Tomorrow, Hi “fixes” the leaky pipe in the basement using the necktie that he’s still wearing.

    FW: Oh suck it up, Funkus. An accident where the other driver was at fault? Insurance covering the damages? In Batiuk’s world that’s Christmas come early.

    RMMD: It’s funny. Whenever June meets Guido, he makes a cocky and bold statement, looks sheepish afterward, and leaves without touching her. The whole cruise must be like having two husbands.

    Popeye: Olive is apparently the only member of her family to grow beyond 3’5. Obviously the product of a one night stand with a tree surgeon.

    FC: Your mother doesn’t need to know about your first climax, Jeffy.

    PBS: What, no actual weasels?

    Shoe: A fairly funny sight gag today. But it says a lot about Roz’s work ethic that she glares at the guy making the complaint instead of the nitwit with the fishing rod.

    Baldo: “Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go back to huffing car paint while I still have five minutes on my break.”

    A3G: So Joe’s first course of action when he gets paged is to dump his kids on the nurse he’s been half-heartedly flirting with? A nurse he didn’t call ahead of time and who didn’t even know he had kids? Yeah, I have no idea why this guy’s marriage didn’t work out.

  80. commodorejohn
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:01 am [Reply]

    A3G – Kenley’s hair expands and contracts in accordance with her mood. Which makes her more interesting than any other tertiary character in the strip.

    A.D. – “POOP?”

    Blondie – Actually, I believe they still do.

    DTM – Wow, both Alice and her mother had shotgun weddings. That’s way more menacing than Dennis.

    FW – Ha? Ha?

    GT – Well. That was easy.

    JP – I love the looming, ominous SUV that Sue Ellen’s mom drives. You get the feeling that if they could plausibly have put her at the helm of a Star Destroyer, they would have.

    Luann – “I’m kidding. Of course. I certainly wasn’t coming on to you. Especially not you, TJ.”

    MT – Guys, you’re being unwittingly outsmarted by Rusty Trail. Rusty, for God’s sake. Forget the Fist O’ Justice, you’re being cherry-tapped to defeat. (WARNING: TV TROPES WILL EAT YOUR LIFE.)

    MW – So whose idea was it to cast Louise Brooks as Adrian, anyway?

    OBH – This strip gets off some really esoteric but hilarious punchlines.

    Phantom – So juicy SWEEEET!

    PBS – Wow. Rat is pretty much coming to my place of employment. Maybe I’ll call in sick today.

    SF – Oh, I so want to peek ahead, but I know this will be better one day at a time.

    SM – “Hi, Aunt Decay…er…”

  81. Artist formerly known as Ben
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:02 am [Reply]

    #73 Muffaroo Re: BC,
    An out-of-season cameo by Mr. Hankie? Hidey-ho!

  82. Deb
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:18 am [Reply]

    Lookit. Anyone who watches Food Network can tell you that they garnish the food with an ingredient that was IN the food, to give the diners an idea of what taste sensation awaits them.

    Soooo….Garfield + Chinese Restaurant = ?

    it’s a puzzler.

  83. P
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:20 am [Reply]

    Regarding “Hello, Grandma?”, I have that same book, only except the top reads

    “Another Delightul Collection of Family Circus Cartoons”

    Also for more of Old Sexy Thel, check out the covers of

    Who Invented Rain?
    It’s My Birthday Suit
    My Turn Next! (For a love scene)
    Any Children (Big Boobies there)
    Not Me! (Big Boobies & Bell Bottom Pants)

    You can see the 5 of them at

  84. Hank
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:20 am [Reply]

    Muffaroo, over twenty years ago, the Wall St Journal reported that Trudeau wasn’t drawing the strip anymore. Trudeau threatened to sue, his attorneys claiming-snicker-that he was not a public figure (despite being a millionaire cartoonist married to a famous TV journalist), but he never did. Now, whenever the story rears its head, his lawyers rear theirs and sometimes, as in the case of EW, the editors say “whoops-we misinterpreted the facts.”

    So, basically Trudeau lampoons public figures nearly every day but threatens to sue anyone who reports anything about him that is even slightly less than laudatory.

    But TINSLEY’s the big hypocrite?

  85. Muffaroo
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:28 am [Reply]

    No, Tinsley’s the one-note party-line hack whose characters have no more depth than a piece of tracing paper. His strawmen are only one straw thick. The words he puts in the mouths of others (see: “big hypocrite” — who are you responding to here?) tend to be even farther removed from reality than the talking points he got them from.

    The facts in Trudeau’s case are pretty clear. As has been mentioned, he presents a number of characters, any one of whom are well-rounded enough to be allowed to deliver the punch line in his or her own voice and political stripe, even where that varies from the official conservative caricature of liberal orthodoxy.

  86. Ignatz
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am [Reply]

    I actually used to have that Family Circus book. Have no idea what happened to it.

    The shocking thing is that I used to like the strip enough to buy a book of it.

  87. Artist formerly known as Ben
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:35 am [Reply]

    #84 Hank,
    I really don’t want to get drawn into an argument of which political cartoonist is better, and I’l let personal preferences stand. I just want to point out that there’s a difference between threatening to sue when a story isn’t laudatory, and threatening to sue when it’s not true. Neither is the best way to make friends, but the latter is legally justified.

  88. T. Chicana
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:36 am [Reply]

    #54 Hank: Oh wow! I guess Pluggers ARE racist! I don’t know any other way to interpret that. Is there some meaning also that the cat is orange? Like he’s a minority? Ohhh Pluggers, you really disgust me!

  89. kingklash
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:32 pm [Reply]

    I have that book. Right here in fact!
    I think, if you really want a head trip, that all CC patrons find some old FC books and read through them. There are some panels that will never find their way into the current Comics Pages of today, like the one with Dolly taking a bath, and telling Thel, “Clarissa knows better names for all the parts of our body than we do.” There’s even one where PJ speaks! Even Big Daddy Kane looks different. I can’t rightfully say it was a better strip back in the day, but it was a whole ‘nother brand of bland.

  90. Pop Culture Gangster
    March 24th, 2009 at 12:51 pm [Reply]

    Garfield is standing in front of that Chinese restaurant for the same reason a fried chicken place might have someone in a chicken suit waving to passing traffic.

  91. MotownProf
    March 24th, 2009 at 2:05 pm [Reply]

    #8 — The other sad difference is that in the original, at least Jeffy was still wearing shoes with laces (though the pumpkin-head couldn’t keep them tied). Now he’s moved on those damn velcro-things that kids today use. Heaven forbid Jeffy have to learn about the rabbit going around the tree — oh no, let’s just make life nice and simple for poor dolt.

    So, to summarize. Old: Nice backside, shoes with laces. New: Strong evidence of the constant downward spiral of life

  92. Bull Moose
    March 24th, 2009 at 3:59 pm [Reply]

    What’s up with Mommy Keane’s ass on that book cover? It looks more Sir Mix-a-Lot friendly than usual.

  93. Kittymama
    March 24th, 2009 at 4:30 pm [Reply]

    McElfresh is a relatively high-profile family out here in FC-land, metro Phoenix. One of them was a journalist who interviewed me about being a spelling bee champ.

  94. Wangdoodle
    March 24th, 2009 at 4:56 pm [Reply]

    It’s amusing to see that Hank’s sole means of defending his beloved Mallard is not to attempt to validate the strip’s content, but to attack Doonesbury (and to play stupid about Tinsley’s bald-faced hypocrisy). It’s not like the two strips are joined at the hip. Hell, Tinsley himself gave up on throwing rocks at Trudeau years ago (after repeatedly insulting the man’s wife didn’t quite earn the results he desired).

    Trudeau keeps our veterans, and the issues they continue to face, in the public eye. Tinsley mentions his father’s service two or three times a year as if that certifies himself as a patriot. ‘Nuff said?

  95. Hank
    March 24th, 2009 at 6:49 pm [Reply]

    Actually, Wangdoodle, it was my pointing out that I thought Tinsley was getting a bum rap over the criticism (that is, defending him) that led to someone else to bring up Trudeau. Try and keep up.

  96. Muffaroo
    March 24th, 2009 at 7:32 pm [Reply]

    me @85 – “…any one of whom…”

  97. Joshua
    March 25th, 2009 at 2:39 am [Reply]

    My complaint with the reuse of the same cartoon with the same punchline in “The Family Circus” is that after drawing it the first time, Bil Keane should have realized that the idea that a seven-year-old boy is going to notice that his teacher has a new dress and/or new shoes is just ridiculous. Seven-year-old boys do not have that highly developed a sense of fashion. For that matter, many men never develop such a sense of fashion in their lives. I certainly haven’t.

  98. iburl
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    You people may be the only other people in the world that might understand my horror.

    I used to drive down Garfield street and think to myself, “Heh, wouldn’t that be crazy if this street was named after the asshole cat rather than the assassinated president or some other schmuck.”

    Then I saw that one of the cross streets was called “Odie Lane”. I turned pale, fully realizing the evil of the place. What kind of debauched, panting, coffee fueled, satanic lasagna worship has transpired at this malignant crossroads?

    I’ve enhanced this photo of the intersection with the addition of 2 depraved furries, to help you envision the unspeakable rites that may have been carried out here.

    Photo of Intersection

    Garfield and Odie intersection on Google Maps

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