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Love gone wrong (and right)

Zits and Sally Forth, 4/7/07

On Saturday, we reach the logical conclusion of the set-up from earlier this week. This may look like further disaster for the Forths, but all the pieces are actually falling neatly into place: Sally’s mother is left isolated in her hateful splendor to sleep on a futon, Jackie can spend two weeks baby-sitting Hilary, with her permissive lifestyle opening all sorts of new experiences up to her that her hyper-controlling parents would never allow, and Ted and Sally will finally get to take that trip to Paris. Connie and Walt, meanwhile, can just do it like bunnies, God bless ‘em.

For Better Or For Worse, 4/7/07

See, now, here’s a mature attitude about marriage, you hedonists. It’s something to be endured and withstood with great suffering, something that will force you to move out of the comforting womb of your parents house no matter how hard to try to stay there, and, of course, something that should not include any yucky sex once you’re managed to produce the required pair of children. I hope you’re sufficiently shamed, Forths and Duncans!

Shoe, 4/7/07

Ha ha, it’s funny because … oh, wait, it’s not funny at all. “She’s actually outside right now, waiting for me to get some food. For the love of God, call the police! She’s insane!”

Rex Morgan, M.D., 4/7/07

“Yes! Rex will engage him in thinly veiled homoerotic banter for days! We’ll have plenty of time to come up with an action plan!”

This entry was posted on Sunday, April 8, 2007 at 02:57 pm and is filed under For Better or for Worse, Rex Morgan, M.D., Sally Forth, Shoe, Zits.

143 responses to “Love gone wrong (and right)”

Chris
April 8th, 2007 at 3:10 pm [Reply]

Sex in the comics is just icky…unless it’s Rex and Dr. Dick Driver at the golf course. That’s priceless.

But the “doctor” is, of course, on lam, which is hobo slang. For, well, driving dick.
Craig
April 8th, 2007 at 3:10 pm [Reply]

Re: panel #2 of RMMD. Her left breast really should let the right one speak for itself.
SelfCalledNowhere
April 8th, 2007 at 3:12 pm [Reply]

“She just told me to tuck and roll” is amusing me far more than it should.
Harold
April 8th, 2007 at 3:12 pm [Reply]

June is talking out of her breasts. That’s one way to get a man to pay attention to what you’re saying.
MonkeyHawk
April 8th, 2007 at 3:15 pm [Reply]

We should only speak good of the dead.

Johnny Hart is dead.

Good.
Skullturf Q. Beavispants
April 8th, 2007 at 3:23 pm [Reply]

What on earth is Papa Zits holding in his right hand?

At first glance, I thought it might be a post-coital cigarette/cigar/cigarillo, and then I thought it might be a lock of hair that he had torn off of Mrs. Zits’ head during a particularly passionate moment…

Seriously, any ideas? We’ve already seen in the recent past that the Zits artist is sometimes guilty of ambiguous drawing — I recall Jeremy carrying something resembling a Ziploc bag containing marshmallows and acorns that was apparently supposed to be a Ziploc bag containing socks and underwear.
Skullturf Q. Beavispants
April 8th, 2007 at 3:23 pm [Reply]

Oh, I think I figured it out — he’s looking at his watch.
stewart
April 8th, 2007 at 3:25 pm [Reply]

#7 — Yeah, that’s certainly what I assumed.

When I saw the baggie Jeremy was holding, my first thought was “You don’t SHOW your parents the weed and shrooms, numbnuts!”
Neal
April 8th, 2007 at 3:30 pm [Reply]

Yeah it must be a watch, even though they have an alarm clock right there, next to the book and what appears to be an iodine (Rogaine? Liquid Viagra?) bottle.
april glaspie
April 8th, 2007 at 3:34 pm [Reply]

Does that honker on Mom Zit give new meaning to the term Rhinoplasty? Actually, the way this strip is badly drawn, it looks like her earth-shattering orgasm moved one of her pointy little tits to her face.

Janis, in the meantime, isnâ€™t dealing with this quite so rhapsodically, and Arlo, the horniest dawg in the history of comics, is going to pay for it dearly. No chocolate bunny for you!
Ian W. Hill
April 8th, 2007 at 3:35 pm [Reply]

It has indeed already been mentioned, but yes, Johnny Hart has decided to stop hectoring us and move on, finally, at the age of 76, leaving behind several years worth of good honest chuckles, smiles, and even laughs, and a few more years worth of annoyance and bad tastes in the mouth.

There’s a well-rounded bio at Mark Evanier’s website, HERE.

I hope I can wind up remembering him for the pleasure that Wizard of Id gave me once upon a time.
dshea
April 8th, 2007 at 3:36 pm [Reply]

From the obit I found on Hart, “B.C. participated in the nation’s space program.” What? I wasn’t around in 1972, so could someone explain that one?
kippetje2000
April 8th, 2007 at 3:39 pm [Reply]

re Johnny Hart’s passing: Do we nominate this day as CC Good Sunday? Ye without the glass stones…
My eyes!
April 8th, 2007 at 3:40 pm [Reply]

# 5 – Wow! and on easter! I wonder if he crucified himself, All I can say is bring on the new comics!
I.M. Amorn
April 8th, 2007 at 3:41 pm [Reply]

Pardon my ignorance but can anyone explain the “Is it really only 6PM” comment from Papa Zits?
The Poster Formally Known as Mike
April 8th, 2007 at 3:43 pm [Reply]

I won’t speak ill of the dead or eevn bash Hart. I was no fan of BC in the present, but way back when in the 70’s I thought it was pretty good. And even though I disliked Hart’s heavey handed religious strips at least in his heart he was doing was he thought was right.

I just hope his passing doesn’t mean that BC will continue. Just let it go. I think even Johnny would agree that it’d be better for the craft to let another cartoonist have that spot.

And if he doesn’t (imitating Conan form the movie) “The hell with you!”
Steve
April 8th, 2007 at 3:45 pm [Reply]

#15 – He’s surprised it’s not later in the day with all the hot sex that’s been happening.
Sheilagh
April 8th, 2007 at 3:45 pm [Reply]

I totally do not get ol’ Michael.

He and his brood are putting major stress on his parents and his sis. It’s cramped and noisy and there’s no privacy for anybody. Assuming his wife has any sort of backbone, she’s nagging him day and night to “get me the fuck out of here!!!” And he’s hesitating?

I mean, he wasn’t even looking for an apartment! If he doesn’t want to buy a house, hey, an apartment is a reasonable option! But it’s like, okay, he tried that, and he didn’t like it — first the neighbors were mean and then the building burned down. So he’s retreated to his parents’ house to suck his thumb for what, the rest of his life?

Somebody just shoot him.
Chris
April 8th, 2007 at 3:52 pm [Reply]

RIP, Johnny, and God bless.
Kurdt
April 8th, 2007 at 3:54 pm [Reply]

Johnny Hart is dead
Wizard of Id will no more be read
Poor BC will be gone like the wind
No more comics talk of religion and sin
Unless someone else takes up the pen
Then an unfunny strip will live again
But hopefully it will be replaced
By something with a bit better taste
Something clever or funny or witty
Because Hart’s work was so darn shi**y!
srah
April 8th, 2007 at 3:56 pm [Reply]

#15 – “OMG the kid is gone, so we can have sex in the daytime?”
Snicker
April 8th, 2007 at 3:57 pm [Reply]

Foob: I see Papa Foob, in the final panel, has suddenly realized his twentysomething, financially successful son will never move out of the house, his marriage really was nothing more than a horrid bore, and he’s oh…so…tired.
april glaspie
April 8th, 2007 at 4:05 pm [Reply]

# I.M. Amorn :

I believe it’s the first time they did it when it was still light outside since the Summer of Love.
treedweller
April 8th, 2007 at 4:06 pm [Reply]

Well, now that our prayers about Hart have been answered, maybe we can begin asking for the death of Mike Patterson. HIs dad and his wife do all the work of examining his finances for him (where’s Elly? busy meddling in Liz’s life, I suppose), and still he looks like a deer caught in headlights. He deserves to die.

Also, we must pray that BC dies with Hart. It’s been on autopilot for years with him in charge; it boggles the mind to imagine how bad it would get as a zombie strip.
Harry Paratestes
April 8th, 2007 at 4:08 pm [Reply]

RMMD: June has TNT: two nifty tits
Hathor
April 8th, 2007 at 4:09 pm [Reply]

I think the real punch line in Zits is that they got started at 5:59.

Poor Mama Zit
Harry Paratestes
April 8th, 2007 at 4:13 pm [Reply]

BC: Hopefully we can be spared a zomBC comic strip.
Harry Paratestes
April 8th, 2007 at 4:17 pm [Reply]

#26 et al
I think that they really started at about 4:00 pm on the prior day, and we’ve just missed a 26 hour time slip. Papa and Mama Zita are in a P.Diddyesque sex frenzy, and they just realized that they still have 5 hours of screwing to do in order to break Diddy’s record.
Hysterical Woman
April 8th, 2007 at 4:19 pm [Reply]

Now Johnny Hart has gone to met his Maker. Hopefully his maker will ask him what the hell some of his strips mean, cause not even God knows.
april glaspie
April 8th, 2007 at 4:19 pm [Reply]

Guess y’all are assuming Johnny Hart won’t rise on the third day. I figure he was planning on it if the Joy, Rapcha thing didn’t work out.
markered
April 8th, 2007 at 4:19 pm [Reply]

With our luck, Johnny Hart (and B.C.) will come back to life three days later.

“Wizard of Id” was mostly innocuous, but Hart really let his asshole flag fly in “B.C.”
I.M. Amorn
April 8th, 2007 at 4:23 pm [Reply]

# 26. I thought he actually WAS implying that, “It’s over already…but-but I had to take TWO pills?”
Wonder if this’ll continue next week where Jeremy walks in on them or if we’ll see what he and Hector have been up to
Steve S
April 8th, 2007 at 4:24 pm [Reply]

When I buy a house, one of the top requirements I give the real estate agent will be “It must not be in the same neighborhood as either of my parents.” If my family was as awful as the Pattersons, I’d hold a gun to his head to enforce it.
Oâ€™Fogeyette
April 8th, 2007 at 4:32 pm [Reply]

One of my favorite single cartoon strips, which I cut out and displayed on the wall behind my desk for years, was from BC. It showed two of the cavemen lying on their backs, speculating about what the clouds looked like. (First caveman: “That one looks like a tree.” Second caveman: “There’s one that looks like water.” Next panel–sudden rainshower. Final panel, two cavemen are drenched. First caveman says to second: “If you see one that looks like a big rock, let me know.”)

Maybe I was and am simple-minded, but that just cracked me up. Still does.
Marion Delgado
April 8th, 2007 at 4:35 pm [Reply]

Okay, it’s Easter, so I will say something UnCurmudgeonly:

Since the real-life Connie died tragically at a young age, let Walt and Connie have their fun, I say!
april glaspie
April 8th, 2007 at 4:36 pm [Reply]

Harry TwoBalls: As long as they stop short of the Rick James/stripper hostage/freebase paradigm.
ItAintEazy
April 8th, 2007 at 4:39 pm [Reply]

Walt and Connie’s post-coital conversation was the most inappropriate thing to appear in a family comic strip pages since the time when Dennis Mitchell walked in on Margaret while she was taking a shower.
SchweitzerMan
April 8th, 2007 at 4:44 pm [Reply]

This is my first time posting in here and I have to say, Zits was very realistic. Surprised that they hadn’t done something like this earlier. THey always hinted at it but never showed anyone in bed. How long before Sara and Jeremy or Piece and D’ijion decide to build the beast with two backs?
Douglas E. Iannucci
April 8th, 2007 at 4:45 pm [Reply]

Shoe is a nudist, except for the shoes (whence his nickname?). All the other birds are fully clothed, but he walks around naked as a (ahem) jaybird. And none of the other birds say anything, so perhaps nudity is acceptable in their neck of the woods. But then, why is he the only nudist? Man, that is one stupid strip.
Poteet
April 8th, 2007 at 4:50 pm [Reply]

# 18 — Michael’s behavior would be pathetic enough if he were in his early twenties, but he’s now thirty-one, for Gawd’s sake. Sheilagh, gimme the gun. Better yet, let’s all us Foob-haters grab guns and fire on the count of three. He’ll die quickly, none of us will know for sure who killed him, and wouldn’t shooting him feel great? And it would free Dee and save the world from his unfinished second ghastly novel. I just don’t see a downside here.
Oâ€™Fogeyette
April 8th, 2007 at 4:50 pm [Reply]

#35 Marion Delgado: What a lovely, moving article! Thanks so much for posting the link.
John C Fremont
April 8th, 2007 at 4:52 pm [Reply]

As much as I hate B.C., I still feel sad. I never really wanted Johnny Hart to die, just to PLEASE, IN THE NAME OF HUMANITY, STOP IT!!

Lynn Johnston, on the other hand…
MonkeyHawk
April 8th, 2007 at 4:52 pm [Reply]

#37 — ItAintEazy wrote:

“…the time when Dennis Mitchell walked in on Margaret while she was taking a shower.”

I missed that one.

Was he wearing a wig, Alice’s dress, and carrying a knife?

Must have been before the Dairy Queen deal.
Poteet
April 8th, 2007 at 5:05 pm [Reply]

I had just posted on the last thread about how I usually avoid B.C. when I saw that Johnny Hart had died. If his family will please just let the strip die also, and be replaced by other strips, I’ll do my best to only remember the Johnny Hart work that I used to like.
Lynngineering
April 8th, 2007 at 5:07 pm [Reply]

FBOFW: Seeing it restated again here, I won’t change much from what I said in yesterday’s thread, Mike-in-a-coma is fighting the last few rounds before going under into a total state of September.

RM MD: I’d like to add to the copious amount of notes on June’s rack, I like the way the artist or background artist got all nervous around the particular Junerific panel, and did some early 50s, say photographer Aaron Siskind, and the sort of Abstract strokes, over and over and over around her breasts. Good job, the damn airplane could land there.
yellojkt
April 8th, 2007 at 5:09 pm [Reply]

I went and posted the unedited version of Mike whining. Just another nail in his closet door.
Lynngineering
April 8th, 2007 at 5:10 pm [Reply]

#24 – treedweller: “maybe we can begin asking for the death of Mike Patterson.”

He’s in a coma since the fire, just wait a bit longer, say.. September.
Kenny
April 8th, 2007 at 5:13 pm [Reply]

Shoe: I actually had a girlfriend like that once… If i didn’t get her what she wanted (ice cream, etc.) she would either bite my arm, or hit me in the side of the head with something hard like a TV Remote or one of my Star Wars vehicle replica toys… and i’m not talking the miniature reissues here.
april glaspie
April 8th, 2007 at 5:14 pm [Reply]

I never actively wished Johnny Hart dead, either, but I did sort of wish he’d be rapturized with the rest of the mindless faux-religious, so I could use their cars and Malibu beach houses and bank accounts as The Big Guy intended. This smug bastard gave aid and comfort to true enemies of mankind.
treedweller
April 8th, 2007 at 5:29 pm [Reply]

47 Lynngineering–
Don’t toy with me. I will believe he is dead only if and when I see it. In the funny papers, that is. In my mind, I relish the fantasy storyline you propose every time I see the strip. Yes, that’s right. Every Time.

Treedwina reads unbelievable schlokk in the daily comics and the characters make their fans hate them [urge to slap that foob silly]. . . BUT! by fantasizing about their painful demise, he manages to find enjoyment in reading the comixx anyway! Oh, Yeah!
Mushuweasel
April 8th, 2007 at 5:30 pm [Reply]

So, taking bets here. How exactly will Pete’s talking finger and June’s talking brassiere manage to kill both Rex and Hugh?

Unrelated query: is “the airport” RMMD’s diner-cum-brothel, a la Le Bucket?

… heheh… cum.
Mogalike
April 8th, 2007 at 5:32 pm [Reply]

I have just learned that Johnny Hart, creator of the B.C. strip, suffered a stroke and died at his story board. As much as this comic has been panned in the blog, this remains some sad and sobering news.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070408/ap_en_ot/obit_hart
treedweller
April 8th, 2007 at 5:38 pm [Reply]

re 24/49/52:
I never wished Hart was dead, either. I only wished “BC” was dead. If this is how God chooses to make that happen, who am I to question?

Condolences to any family members who may happen upon these comments (his or mine).
Screaming Centrist
April 8th, 2007 at 6:01 pm [Reply]

$25K advance + Mike’s money in the bank + Dee’s parents’ help + Mom & Dad Patterson’s help…How the hell much do Candian lenders require for a down payment anyway? Or maybe I should ask, how expensive are houses in the Toronto area? I put about $11K down on mine when I bought it (at age 26, I might add). Granted, that was before the prices went through the roof, but still.
Mechanist
April 8th, 2007 at 6:01 pm [Reply]

Regarding yesterday’s FC:

There’s no “hot chocolate” around here, Billy, FC only features whites! Besides, you can’t put it in while it’s still a “marshmallow”!
Islamorada Girl
April 8th, 2007 at 6:02 pm [Reply]

Of the dead, speak nothing but good. Still and all, if BC doesn’t fold with Hart, I will have many, many ugly things to say. At the top of my lungs. The strip has been dead for years.
Buck Ripsnort
April 8th, 2007 at 6:03 pm [Reply]

39–Douglas, it’s no wonder She walks around without clothes– He’s a bird, for Margo’s sake! The real question is, Why the boxcar are all the OTHER characters wearing clothes?
jules
April 8th, 2007 at 6:04 pm [Reply]

Lynngineering, you have coined a new Foob-phrase: “a total state of September”! I love it. :)

Also: Rest in peace, Johnny Hart. I can’t stand your comics, but you probably meant well.
Islamorada Girl
April 8th, 2007 at 6:05 pm [Reply]

Oh, and June Morgan’s prodigious ta-ta’s are a strange counterpoint to her man hands.

Thank you.
Chris
April 8th, 2007 at 6:08 pm [Reply]

Johnny cashes out on Easter…with a brilliant strip…good for him.
Hawkwoman
April 8th, 2007 at 6:18 pm [Reply]

R.I.P. Johnny Hart and B.C. and The Wizard of Id. Please.
John C Fremont
April 8th, 2007 at 6:21 pm [Reply]

In my world, June Morgan’s breasts don’t talk independently. They sing. They sing together in sweet, sweet harmony.

Requiest in pace, Johnny. Sorry about our, uh, disagreements.
Gadge Cubic, Mole Preener
April 8th, 2007 at 6:21 pm [Reply]

Johnny Hart: I do hope he’s remembered for the early days of BC, when it was actually funny and rather bizarre. I join the chorus of mudges praying (heh) that BC dies with him. More comic artists need to follow Charles Schulz’s lead.
John C Fremont
April 8th, 2007 at 6:24 pm [Reply]

Requiescat, that is – sorry again, Johnny.
LittleGuy
April 8th, 2007 at 6:34 pm [Reply]

Lynn Johnston could always take over BC. IT’s already a strip frozen in time, that is the 1950s.
UncleJeff
April 8th, 2007 at 6:36 pm [Reply]

I guess I’m so sorry to see so many Curminions happy with the death of Johnny Hart. While I, too,
found some of his BC strips offensive I never wished the man ill.
As a golfer, I found most of his strips about the sport very amusing.
The Wizard of Id ones I found far more offensive because of the repeated use of a man being hanged as a part of the “jokes” of that strip.
commodorejohn
April 8th, 2007 at 6:37 pm [Reply]

I’m sure everyone else has already said this, but I have to say it anyway: calling something “amost as bad as getting married” IN FRONT OF YOUR WIFE!? WHO HAS BEEN TRYING TO HELP YOU MAKE ENDS MEET AND JUST SAID SO!? Michael Patterson, you are such a pompous, self-absorbed little fuckwad!
under_score
April 8th, 2007 at 6:39 pm [Reply]

BC: My kids have a very progressive teacher who, much to their shock, tells them she loves BC. I explained to them she means older BC, because she certainly would hate today’s heavy-handed strip, which is representative of his work as much as anything they’ve ever seen of his. Still and all, RIP, Mr. Hart.

#35, Marion, I second the thanks already posted above by O’F (?) for the article you posted. Very moving. I said it yesterthread and I’ll say it again. I do enjoy Zits (though the execution of this particular strip, mebbe not so much) I appreciate knowing I can admire the both strip and the creative team behind it.
commodorejohn
April 8th, 2007 at 6:40 pm [Reply]

Also, Johnny Hart died? Bummer. It’s a pity the old, funny Johnny Hart didn’t have a chance to resurface and go out in a blaze of glory.
SchweitzerMan
April 8th, 2007 at 6:41 pm [Reply]

Watch Deanna run off with the kids to Weed’s studio after that dumbass statement
Brian
April 8th, 2007 at 6:49 pm [Reply]

Seriously, the death of Hart – not funny. Please stop trying to be commenters of the week by behaving like complete assholes. As Islamorada Girl said, de mortuis nil nisi bonum. Being snarky about a comic strip is one thing. Thinking that you know enough about who somebody is to make comments on their death because of what they do for a living is something else.

He’s done, it’s done, and you’re all done. Just stop.
Hawkwoman
April 8th, 2007 at 6:52 pm [Reply]

The look of shame on John Patterson’s face as he finally realizes what a pathetic excuse for a man he’s raised is just heartrending. “Where did we go wrong?” his eyes ask. “Did we give him too much, should we have been tougher? I just wanted him to have the things I didn’t.” It’s possibly Lynn Johnston’s crowning achievement as an artist. The pathos is…What? She thinks that was funny? What the hell? There’s no joke there, not even a pun. My God, you mean FBOW is supposed to be a comedy and not a portrait of a family in crisis? But, but….oh, hell. I have to go reassess everything I’ve ever believed now. (sob)
Lettuce
April 8th, 2007 at 6:56 pm [Reply]

Okay, what does it mean that Johnny Hart died on Easter, the day he’s usually at his Johnny Hartiest? If B.C. or Id had a character who died on Easter, would we make fun of it for being a classic case of “Hart comin’ on too strong during the holidays?” Or would we be confused as to the meaning of having a character die on the day Jesus came back to life? Or would we wonder why the peg-leg guy was writing a poem about it, or it being used in some way to further torture some guy in a dungeon?

As with all things Hart — I just don’t get it.
Darren MacLennan
April 8th, 2007 at 6:57 pm [Reply]

Yeah, I have to agree – wishing the man ill because you didn’t like his comic strip, celebrating his death because you didn’t like a comic or two – that’s not being all edgy and shit; that’s just being an asshole.

-Darren MacLennan
stinky pete
April 8th, 2007 at 6:57 pm [Reply]

I agree with 71 Brian. The man had a wife and two daughters who loved him, and people are sitting here saying, great, now won’t have to read B.C. anymore. And somehow you consider yourself superior to Johnny Hart because your political and religious views are better than his? You should be embarrassed.
Albtraum
April 8th, 2007 at 6:58 pm [Reply]

I have a question… Why is the cost of renting an apartment “EVEN THIS CLOSE TO TORONTO” an unthinkable expense?

Do our cruel, cold-blooded neighbours to the far, frigid North value apartments above all else? Did I miss when “apartment” became a synonym for “Zamboni”? I don’t get it.
commodorejohn
April 8th, 2007 at 7:07 pm [Reply]

Oh, and here’s a question: will the syndicate end B.C. (an unlikely action for a syndicate, but B.C. is, behind Mallard Fillmore, by far the likeliest strip to be dropped in the event of the author’s death,) or will they bring in someone else to do it? And will this someone else attempt to keep things the way they were and not upset B.C.’s readers, or will he/she try to revitalize the strip and bring back the humor of the 60s-70s B.C.? Only time will tell…
Thats The Spirit
April 8th, 2007 at 7:10 pm [Reply]

Rex Morgan makes no sense at all. Did the blonde turn into the dark-haired lady? Is the guy the same in all 3 panels? Why is the boob talking? what’s going on?
KD
April 8th, 2007 at 7:12 pm [Reply]

Hart died yesterday. Yesterday wasn’t Easter.
Even God has His limits.
Erich
April 8th, 2007 at 7:23 pm [Reply]

I really enjoyed Johnny Hart’s early strips, and was sorry that his sense of humor went astray. While I disagreed with some of his views, I respect his sincerity and devotion. My condolences to his friends and family.
TurtleBoy
April 8th, 2007 at 7:23 pm [Reply]

#71 Brian, #74 Darren MacLennan, #75 stinky pete: word. Johnny’s views were far from my own, but I can’t snark about the man.

#34 O’Fogeyette: no, you’re not simple-minded. That’s frickin’ funny, as Johnny often used to be. One of my all-time favorite comic strips is another pre-shark-jumping B.C. in a similar vein: One of the cavedudes (I believe it’s Peter) says to another (Clumsy Carp, I think) something like, “I bet you ten clams you can’t stand on your head.” In the next panel, Clumsy’s got his neck freakishly distended, bent all the way to the ground behind his body, his head, at the end, underfoot.

Fuckin’ classic.

Thanks, Johnny.
PeteMoss
April 8th, 2007 at 7:25 pm [Reply]

71 Brian
73 Stinky Pete
34 Oâ€™Fogeyette

I’ll echo your thoughts on this subject. I’m not amused by jokes about this guys death. Also, I once was a fan of his comic strips. Like Sparky Schultz, he had his golden days and should be remembered for his best work.
Stuart
April 8th, 2007 at 7:25 pm [Reply]

I just got the news on Johnny Hart. If the Lord ever answers our prayers, “BC” and its Jesus-freak, anti-semite, anti-plus-size-women rhetoric will be vanquished from the Earth. After losing “Boondocks” and “Fox Trot” within six months of each other, it’s nice to see that the score has been (almost) equaled in the war on mediocre, antiquated comic strips.

As for “Wizard of Id,” give the pen to his third cousin twice removed or something.
Tonstant Weader
April 8th, 2007 at 7:27 pm [Reply]

RIP, Johnny Hart.

Mike Patterson is a fucking tool. I would prefer a thousand strips on the status of April’s hymen to one more panel of this douchenozzle’s endless whining about his godawful novel and his finances and his househunting woes and his (apparently) Lockhorns-esque marriage and how much he wants to remain nestled forever in the crowded, meddling, privacy-free bosom of his parents’ home. The best thing that could happen to the strip at this point is a plotline with a Murder on the Orient Express-inspired resolution.

In short, Mike Patterson can choke on my fuck. And I think, to quote Are You Being Served?, that I’m unanimous in this.
AndreaD
April 8th, 2007 at 7:34 pm [Reply]

Why did Mike morph from a fairly young-looking, pouty 30-something in panel 4 to a hook-nosed crone in panel 5?

Also, gack over today’s Food Easter Special. Kids think the Easter bunny has something to do with the real meaning of Easter. Hilarious. That joke has never been done before.

I am a little weirded out that Johnston pulled out all of the “hottie teenager” stops on Meredith, though, considering that she’s supposed to be, what? Like, 4? The full lips and wide-open eyes make Meredith look a bit like Liz does whenever Anthony thinks about her.

I used to think very highly of FBOFW, and my mum liked to receive the books as presents. However, it never occured to me that I am roughly the same age as Mike, and we are aging at the same rate, since Lynn writes this all in real-time. Thus, I was horrified to wake up today and realize that I have yet to marry a young woman with a 1970s haircut, sire two young kids, swing a book deal, and move back in with my parents to mooch off of them for months while refusing to acknowledge the strain that this causes my family. I feel like a failure.

I’m sorry to hear that Hart died, too. I certainly don’t wish any cartoonist dead. Cartoon characters, now, yes.
Pendragon
April 8th, 2007 at 7:34 pm [Reply]

Johnny Hart actually died on Holy Saturday while at his drawing board. Somehow, I think this is the way he would have wanted it.

It’s hard to say something snarky about this. I will mourn any of the old-timers when they go.
Hawkwoman
April 8th, 2007 at 7:42 pm [Reply]

Shoe is the prime example of why people who like B.C. should be hoping just as hard as the people who hate it that the syndicate lets it die with Johnny Hart. Shoe wasn’t the best strip ever but when Jeff MacNelly was alive it had some great moments. Now it’s usually stupid and boring with occasional forays into the inexplicable. Either comic strips are art and the integrity of the artists and writers should be respected, or they’re hack work and any monkey can do it. I vote for art, but I bet the people who run the syndicates aren’t on the same side.
Harold
April 8th, 2007 at 7:43 pm [Reply]

Johnny Hart died at his storyboard? Damn. That’s pretty hardcore. He died with his boots on. We should all die so well.

And only 76? I assumed he was much older. 76 is too young to die of a stroke. (NOTE TO LYNN JOHNSTON: STROKES ARE NOT FUNNY.)

Maybe I didn’t agree with his more heavy-handed stuff, but he was still able to be funny once in a while. Whenever I think of him I will try to remember the ants-on-a-donut strip. He will be missed.
Doug Puthoff
April 8th, 2007 at 7:49 pm [Reply]

Zits, I’m hoping Walt gets lucky and impregnates Connie. Then Connie can have twin sons. My dream would be for Chad and Jeremy to have brothers named Peter and Gordon.
Blade Runner
April 8th, 2007 at 7:59 pm [Reply]

RIP Johnny Hart. Thank you for the characters in BC, especially the Fat Broad, the Cute Chick and Grog. I enjoyed BC and the Wizard of Id when I was younger.

Also thanks to Wilson and Nolan for June Morgan’s breasts and for Rex’s homoerotic banter.
commodorejohn
April 8th, 2007 at 8:03 pm [Reply]

#85 – Oh my God, she went and did it again with the freaking teenage-hottie toddler. WTF, Lynn? Are you encouraging pedophilia as well as non-con fetishes?
Andrew
April 8th, 2007 at 8:04 pm [Reply]

Re: Johnny Hart… I’m a native of the Binghamton area and along with Rod Serling, Johnny Hart was definitely one of the area’s all-time favorite sons. He made a point of staying in the area even after he became famous (and after the Southern Tier went into steep economic decline) and he gave a lot back to the community.

As for B.C.’s religious commentary: I have no problem with cartoonists dealing with ANY subject matter in their work, provided they remain funny. From what I understand Charles Schulz was every bit as religious as Johnny Hart, but PEANUTS always, always wrapped its religious messages in jokes. Hart was never quite able to pull this off,
Heckler123
April 8th, 2007 at 8:09 pm [Reply]

Wow, this is the first I’d heard that Johnny Hart died. R.I.P., Mr. Hart!
Doug Puthoff
April 8th, 2007 at 8:13 pm [Reply]

Darn it! We’ll probably never know for sure that “B.C.” actually took place after a nuclear holocuast.

R.I.P. Johnny Hart.
AndreaD
April 8th, 2007 at 8:15 pm [Reply]

I was using the “time travel” option on the FBOFW website, and I came across this comic:

http://www.fborfw.com/timetravel/archives/002115.php

…and I got a little teary-eyed thinking that the baby smushing food into her hair and ears is now a 16-year old who drinks wine and makes out with her boyfriend in the basement when her parents are away for the evening.

Just look at that cute chubby face! She’ll be a roadside gig in a matter of 15 years, but we can say we knew her when!
AndreaD
April 8th, 2007 at 8:18 pm [Reply]

Why is the guy in the third panel of Rex Morgan wearing a geisha wig?
dimestore lipstick
April 8th, 2007 at 8:19 pm [Reply]

Paperbacks I’ve owned and loved since I was a kid:

“Great Zot I’m Beautiful”
“Loneliness Is Rotting On A Bookrack”
“The Second and Third Letters of the Alphabet Revisited”
“Where The Hell Is Heck?”
“Cave In”
“Life Is a Seventy-Five Cent Paperback”

Hart went in a direction most of us don’t understand, but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a lot of funny B.C. humor out there in the world. Clams got legs!
Thanks for that, Johnny.
Skullturf Q. Beavispants
April 8th, 2007 at 8:21 pm [Reply]

I also want to go on record as saying to all commenters, even if you thought the comic strip B.C. could be heavy-handed and unfunny (as I did), please don’t make the mistake of gloating about Mr. Hart’s death.

As #92 Andrew points out, the man was loyal to his hometown — and devoted to his craft too, as it appears he died at his drafting board.

This might sound like a weird thing to say, but Johnny Hart’s passing reminds me a little bit of when Richard Nixon died. Even if you weren’t a Nixon fan — and heck, one needn’t be that harsh of a critic to maintain that he sullied the office of the President through bad decisions — his death isn’t really the time to dwell on that stuff.

I remember when Patricia Nixon died, about a year before Richard did, they showed footage of her funeral on the news and I remember seeing Richard Nixon sobbing. At that time, he was no longer a symbol for political decisions you may have disagreed with — he was an 80-year-old man who had just lost his wife.
juggernaut
April 8th, 2007 at 8:21 pm [Reply]

on a more serious note – i live a few towns over from mr hart so, when you all come to attend his funeral, PLEASE do not park on my lawn. thank you and god bless.
Mr. Oâ€™Malley
April 8th, 2007 at 8:22 pm [Reply]

54. Screaming Centrist, take a look at this story on housing prices in Toronto.
MonkeyHawk
April 8th, 2007 at 8:27 pm [Reply]

Sorry to have offended you all. But I’m reminded of the hated Hollywood mogel’s funeral that packed the church and Groucho Marx’ comment, “The ol’ man was right. ‘Give the people what they want and they’ll turn out in droves.’”

Sorry, folks. I don’t remember when B.C. was ever funny. It was one of those sparsely drawn, gag-a-day features that’s almost harder to not read than scan. The “Show me…” format was always a lame gag, the floating tablet with an answer floating back, the turtle with the bird trope, the heavy handed theology, the flightless bird with hair-like feathers, the fat broad sexism, recycled golf jokes, the solid-rock unicycle… not a chuckle in a carload.

Okay, I know in polite society we’re supposed to be respectful at the passing of another. I’m comfortable with that with all the sincerity of a TV cop telling a victim’s survivors, “I’m sorry ~~your meal ticket is dead~~ for your loss.”

C’mon now. This is the College of Curmudgeons! We routinely wish for (Death To) Gil Throp and hope Cathy (Must Die). Now I have no particular death wish for Cathy Guisewite, but I’m not sure I have the stomach for all the maudlin schmaltz that’s sure to come were she to follow Johnny Hart into that good night. I’d much prefer at least one curminion would post, “ACK! I’m dead!”

If I turn out to be the only one who does, and I offend the sensibilities of this forum, so be it. I’ve handled worse. I’ve dodged magmacannons, f’r cryin’ out loud, and lived to tell about it.
fuzzmaster
April 8th, 2007 at 8:28 pm [Reply]

#54 — I’m with you on the money being the most interesting part of this strip. I’m focused more on what this implies about Daddy Foob: Telling his son to put up every penny he has AND put himself in hock to both sets of parents just to buy some house everybody says is too small for ‘em. That’s hardcore. Screw your future, kid, just get the hell out of my house!

And I’m thinking even without Michael’s I-hate-marriage line, wifey was still gonna be ticked about the notion of her having to work in that — pharmacy, right? — for the rest of her days, to pay off the bills that her father-in-law wished on the family. She is the only regular earner left in the family, after all.

It would be interesting to figure out which cartoonist expresses more hatred of family through strips — the Foobarina or the ringmaster of the Family Circus.
mooch
April 8th, 2007 at 8:30 pm [Reply]

Yes, Mr. Hart had some, er, wacky opinions, but I’ll always remember when “Wiley’s Dictionary” defined “air-ball” as “what a Cockney cat coughs up.”

Now that’s comedy gold.
SchweitzerMan
April 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pm [Reply]

#98-I couldn’t put it any better myself.
fuzzmaster
April 8th, 2007 at 8:33 pm [Reply]

Oh, and #101: Gil Thorp and the Cathy the comic strip character are, ah, comic strip characters. I’d vote for drawing the line (no pun intended) right there.
rodent
April 8th, 2007 at 8:34 pm [Reply]

June’s left boob is talking! Righteous! It’s like a porn version of Mark Trail.
Mr. Oâ€™Malley
April 8th, 2007 at 8:44 pm [Reply]

Re the passing of Johnny Hart–

I believe that artists should be judged by the best of their work. It really is a challenge to maintain the highest quality over a long career, and those who can (e.g., Walt Kelly) are far outnumbered by those who end up not succeeding.

We remember Winsor McCay now for Little Nemo and Gertie the Dinosaur, not for the truly awful editorial cartoons (somewhat to the right of the original Little Orphan Annie) he did at the end of his career.

In recent times some artists have walked away from their strips at the height of their popularity, when they feel their inspiration flagging. However, I suspect the work ethic common to Mr. Hart’s generation would not allow him to do this.

Let’s remember him now when he was in his prime, as I suspect many of us would like to be remembered when our time comes.
Blynneda
April 8th, 2007 at 8:47 pm [Reply]

RIP Johnny Hart. I wouldn’t consider myself a fan of his work, but he’s originally from the same stomping grounds as I am (also my mom knew his daughter), so I feel a certain connection with him. No snark, just well wishes for his family.
Stuart P. Bentley
April 8th, 2007 at 8:50 pm [Reply]

100+ posts in and everybody’s too enraptured by June Morgan’s tits to notice that her hair changed color between panels, along with a slight alteration to her sweater.

Jesus, people! Family Circus Easter Jesus!
Uncle Lumpy
April 8th, 2007 at 8:52 pm [Reply]

#109 Stuart -

No one — no one — is looking at June Morgan’s hair.
dale
April 8th, 2007 at 8:53 pm [Reply]

4/8 SlyFox -
How do you rob a museum?
Museums are not cowed by the threat of violence.
bats
April 8th, 2007 at 8:55 pm [Reply]

54.

But you see, you’re not a jerk and a namby-pamby like Mike Patterson is!
markered
April 8th, 2007 at 8:58 pm [Reply]

The problem with Johnny Hart wasn’t just that B.C. wasn’t funny. Spreading hate, which I sincerely believe he did, always with a wink, is indefensible in itself, and even more so when you have a platform that allows you to reach people all over the world.

I’m not glad he’s dead, but I ain’t mourning him, either.
Plinko Commie
April 8th, 2007 at 8:58 pm [Reply]

Man, I didn’t know you celebrated Easter with the rising of the douchebags. There’s a few on here, sadly. Hey, let’s go to Hart’s widow’s house and laugh at her for marrying a Christ-humping retard who just died. IN YOUR FACE, SCUM LOVER!

You should be ashamed. You probably won’t be. But you should be.
Plinko Commie
April 8th, 2007 at 9:00 pm [Reply]

None of this changes what a syrupy loser Michael Patterson is, of course.
Blade Runner
April 8th, 2007 at 9:04 pm [Reply]

#110 – Uncle Lumpy – June Morgan has hair? Next thing you’re gonna tell me is that when Rex goes out to “Whack some Balls” he is really playing a round of golf.

JP – What is with the pair of boots hanging in mid air in the French work shop anyway?
bats
April 8th, 2007 at 9:05 pm [Reply]

I also wonder, why in the Sunday FOOB that the Pattersons felt the need to inflict squirmy, bored Meredith on the congregation…does the church day-care have Patterson limits and would only deal with Robin?

Oh, yeah, the punchline. I’m pretty sure this has been lifted from FC some years back (but I’m also pretty sure FC has lifted it from itself a number of times, too).
pesch
April 8th, 2007 at 9:09 pm [Reply]

Write your newspaper to demand that they drop B.C., because like the Zombie Jesus, it’ll rise from the dead!

From the AP story:

Newcombe [this is Richard Newcombe, founder and president of Creators Syndicate] said â€œB.C.â€ and â€œWizard of Idâ€ would continue. Family members have been helping produce the strips for years, and they have an extensive computer archive of Hartâ€™s drawings to work with, he said.”
Digital Mind Traces
April 8th, 2007 at 9:23 pm [Reply]

#109 Stuart
That’s Mrs. Avery in panel one.
But I could imagine there’s a missing panel where she and June traded tops between panels. In fact, I think I will.
reader-who-posts
April 8th, 2007 at 9:43 pm [Reply]

I’ve joked plenty of times about how bad B.C. is. However, the thought that I’ve seen here that people are glad he’s dead because the comic was bad is absolutely pathetic. If that makes me an old-fashioned curmudgeon, so be it. RIP, Mr. Hart.
reader-who-posts
April 8th, 2007 at 9:49 pm [Reply]

101 – You need to learn that there is a difference between joking about Cathy (must die)/(Death to) Gil Thorp and joling about Johnny Hart. It’s a subtle difference but see if you can follow along….ready?

CATHY AND GIL THORP ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS! THEY WON’T REALLY DIE AND LEAVE GRIEVING FAMILY MEMBERS!

I realize that this concept is pretty abstract and hard to understand, but when you manage to rise to the maturity level of a 10 year old maybe you’ll understand.
Anonymous
April 8th, 2007 at 9:49 pm [Reply]

#118-

A shame that B.C. isn’t going to be retired. I’m afraid that I’m too young to have the fond memories of Hartâ€™s earlier strips that most posters here seem to possess. B.C. has always been, at least to me, a worthless bastion of anti-Semitism, crude artwork, bigotry, anti-evolution lunacy, and some of the lamest “humor” to disgrace the funny pages. I didn’t wish Hart dead (his strip on the other hand…), but I don’t forgive him for anything either.

Also, The Wizard of Id has more torture than all past five seasons of 24 combined. I never have figured what’s up with that- are executions that funny?
Bobchillingworth
April 8th, 2007 at 9:51 pm [Reply]

Err, that last post was by me, not that I’m all that frequent a poster here anyway.
alamo
April 8th, 2007 at 10:00 pm [Reply]

rmmd — i think we have solved the mystery of what happened to milton’s plane. it was shot down by one of those rockets june is hiding under her top.
Professor Fate
April 8th, 2007 at 10:25 pm [Reply]

FOOB: You want to hit Michael with brick for being such a self absorbed – go rescue the novel – whiner.

Johnny Hart: The way the world works both BC and Wizard of Id will continue on – both properites will be milked until they moo with pain. Not a very good legacy but making money is more improtant than any consideration of that.

Actually I can’t remember a single BC comic that made me laugh. I do remember one Wizard of ID that did, the leader of the huns was one of his men why the amount of booty was so smal.

“I don’t understand it either sir” his Lt. says ” We did what we always do Burn the place down then Pillage it”

The last frame shows the unfortuante Lt. handing in chains upside down writing “Pillage, then burn, Pillage then burn”

stupid but stupid can make me laugh from time to time.
BunnÃ«
April 8th, 2007 at 10:46 pm [Reply]

So I’ve been thinking about the FOOB strip all day, and at some point it struck me that the problem with it is that it’s all wrong. Owning a house is comparable to marriage? I’ve been married to ten years, and in that time I’ve owned two different properties. Every time I move, I think about what the place I will live in after that will be like. “A house this time; maybe next time, a loft!” This is not a luxury one ought to indulge in with marriage.

Meanwhile, say what you will about Canada; my gay marriage would actually be legal there. As it is, all I have is a piece of paper saying we are married in the eyes of the Unitarian church. And I don’t even remember where that piece of paper is.

And for what it’s worth, it is harder to get a mortgage in Canada, and the rates are a good deal higher.
BunnÃ«
April 8th, 2007 at 10:50 pm [Reply]

Meanwhile, does anyone remember the B.C. game for the Apple II? That was fun.

B.C. was never in my local papers growing up, and I don’t remember it all that well… but I remember the game.
Marion Delgado
April 8th, 2007 at 11:36 pm [Reply]

I do have to interject that hoping BC the strip dies with its creator is in no way gloating over his death or wishing he was dead or being happy he’s dead.

It’s a commonly expressed sentiment, actually. Been said about even icons like Charles Schultz. I definitely did not see all these people happy he was dead.
Marion Delgado
April 8th, 2007 at 11:41 pm [Reply]

I did see one or perhaps 2
CrabbyGenes
April 8th, 2007 at 11:49 pm [Reply]

Yep, Johnston let Mike get away with that horrible comment in the Saturday strip (though the Curmudgeons certainly didn’t!) Today’s (Monday’s) storyline could be titled “Boring and Inevitable, Continued.” John is about to have coffee with the neighbor whose house he will probably eventually own, leaving Son Mikey Patterturd and family to live in the house that Mike grew up in.

My question: where will 16-year-old April be left when Mike’s family ends up in the house where SHE has the right to live, and her parents end up in model-train-retirement-house heaven?

I’m confused about two things here. ONE–I can’t quite get what Johnston planning to have happen. She has Deanna and John encouraging Michael to buy a house, yet Patterson-Senior is already thinking about how great the only house that seems to be in question would be for HIS OWN TRAIN SET-UP. Anyone care to venture a guess?

TWO–I had a heck of a time deciding what thread to post this on! Suddenly there are so many new ones! What’s a Curmudgeon to do?

Well, I chose this one because Josh’s initial post concerned the Saturday Foob, even though I suspect that this thread will now die soon, thanks to the availability of more recent others.
skulking on the outskirts
April 9th, 2007 at 12:25 am [Reply]

Just chiming in to say that I agree, we shouldn’t be pissing on Johnny Hart’s grave just ‘cuz we didn’t like his work. Oh, and can we maybe let the guy actually be put *in* his grave before we start with the ‘BC sucks dead donkey dicks’ schtick?
I am going to miss that crazy talking clam. I kind of doubt that if the strip does go zombie, that the new writers will pull that particular gag off half as well as the late Mr. Hart. R.I.P., Johnny, and the clam that got legs.
Schlimmerkerl
April 9th, 2007 at 6:47 am [Reply]

I knew there would be plenty of jokes about Connie and Walt– “Old people having sex. Eeeew, ick!” Well, let me tell you whippersnappers, I am somewhat north of 50. At my last annual physical the doc askedâ€¦ let’s see, he used some fancy medical terminologyâ€¦ Oh yes, i remember. Was i having any trouble in “the bedroom department?” My answer: “Does ‘rabid minks’ mean anything to you?” (Nelson Muntz) HA-ha.
Pfooti
April 9th, 2007 at 7:20 am [Reply]

I know, there are a ton of other things to talk about. But for heaven’s sake, that’s a talking nipple in the second panel of Rex Morgan!
Marion Delgado
April 9th, 2007 at 7:46 am [Reply]

BTW June Morgan, beard, is the ideal woman. She thinks – and talks – with her impressive, perfect rack. Hence, when she’s talking to you seriously, the polite thing to do is look her directly in the breasts and concentrate. Why can’t the real world be more like RMMD? Plus, her breasts always have better ideas than her brain, which must be more like a secondary ganglia that can handle American Idol and Sarah’s Munchausen by Proxy, and that’s about it.
bitey
April 9th, 2007 at 7:50 am [Reply]

As a Torontonian, a few words about Toronto real estate… Rent is obscene. Not New York or London, UK obscene, but still intensely profane. Most people I know who own have mortgages significantly lower than my rent. I was shocked when I moved here from western Canada that many employed adults stay with there parents until marriage and will often move into the familial basement suite after. Though this is generally more common in families with parents who were immigrants; maintaining many of their former homeland’s traditions. Also, this is done so they can AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE. From my limited expereince, this sort of rebounding with children back into the parental/grandparental nest is exclusive in it’s social acceptability to Toronto and the Greater Toronto Area. LJ is actually getting close to the mark . . . sort of. She probably doesn’t have a clue that practically anywhere else in North America, Mike be mocked mercilessly by family and friends for running home to Mommy. When I returned to my parents’ house for two months after university (jobless and penniless), I heard a lot of “When you leaving? Do you have a job lined up? I’ve circled some apartments that look good…” I was gone a week after landing my first real job. That was normal, dammit. I hate Princess Michael and all he stands for.
mir777
April 9th, 2007 at 8:46 am [Reply]

Naked Duncans is NOT what I want to see over my morning latte.

Not. At. All.

Ewwww.

(A mature approach to commentary)
SchweitzerMan
April 9th, 2007 at 9:35 am [Reply]

At least they were drawn UNDER the covers
WarOfTheBees
April 9th, 2007 at 12:39 pm [Reply]

Judging from Connie’s positioning (arm over her eyes, out of breath), I’d say that Walt just rocked her world.

My lord, what have I just said?
srah
April 9th, 2007 at 2:18 pm [Reply]

I think the Duncans are sort of cute. I mean, I don’t actually want to see them going at it… but it’s nice to see a middle-aged comics couple having a nice normal relationship with each other. It’s a nice change from Rex Morgan ignoring his wife in favor of other men or John Patterson ignoring his wife in favor of trains.
SchweitzerMan
April 9th, 2007 at 2:57 pm [Reply]

Cute…meh. Maybe. It’s just refreshing to see something so realistic in Zits. Now if only Jeremy would only get high at his next poker game…
Toronto
April 9th, 2007 at 11:16 pm [Reply]

140: I can just see it.

Walt: Jeremy, are you high?
Jeremy: Oh, wow!
Walt: My son just said “Oh Wow!”
Hector: And I think he meant it, Walt.
Biiirdmaaan!
April 10th, 2007 at 8:56 am [Reply]

I’d just like to point out that “bougeois tokery” is a new googlewhack (http://www.googlewhack.com/). Thanks, Josh!
Smurt the wind raker
April 11th, 2007 at 1:46 pm [Reply]

“Gawd!” Jeremy cries, but is it the spectacle of seeing his parents acting like children who got caught playing doctor? An unexpected intrusion into the “Primal Scene”? No, it’s the fear that nine months from now he will have a brand new baby sister.

At least there was some dignity to the Forth’s intimate pillow talk.

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